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today we welcome Philip J watt to

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skeptic Oh Phil is an interesting guy

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and a fellow podcaster which is always

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fun for me he's also quite a spiritual

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seeker as you'll come to know he's a

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formal former social worker down there

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in Australia which brings an interesting

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background to the mix he's an

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out-of-body traveller a lucid dreamer a

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bunch of other stuff and you can add to

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that list an author of a very cool new

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book titled the simulation so Phil we're

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here to do a redo on a pretty good

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interview we did last time but they both

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want to take it a little bit further so

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thanks for joining me again my absolute

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pleasure I'm great to baekjae and yeah

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I'm hoping we can sort of provide a

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holistic snapshot of this sort of

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escorted spiritual seeking but you know

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true seeking is another great way of

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discussing it but what's going on in the

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independent media what's going on in

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this this search of gnosis this journey

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of gnosis that we're all sort of going

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through in this collective amnesia age

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we call you know living as a human of

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the style the 21st century so yeah let's

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do it looking forward to it yeah you

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know even what you said right there is

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is kind of interesting because on one

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level I totally agree with you about the

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truth-seeking and the spiritual seeking

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and those really being one that's

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certainly my if not my orientation which

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I was about to say my conclusion is that

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if you're seeking the truth you will

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ultimately find yourself on a spiritual

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path although I guess I could have

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probably short-circuited about five to

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seven years of my podcast and my journey

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just by listening to some of the great

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spiritual masters who've said that all

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along but some of us have to learn I

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guess the hard way so and what's your

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what's your definition of spirituality

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then so as you were going through your

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podcasting journey

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what sort of information sort of helped

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you to understand some sort of spiritual

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essence of life and how do you have

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would you define it and then I'll have

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the craic afterwards yeah because as we

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were just talking about I mean we share

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some similarities there but we also

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share some differences which I think are

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really cool because I like your straight

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ahead approach you seem like a very

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down-to-earth guy you know people talk

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to you they feel like they're getting

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kind of the authentic version of Phil

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which is I think terrific but and and

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for me I mean my authenticity comes from

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really pretty much being a normal

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everyday kind of guy who was looking for

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success money the normal things in life

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you know going to college get a good job

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make it my own business make money do

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that kind of stuff and I did that and I

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was good at it to a certain extent I had

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a lot of failures but eventually it came

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out well for me but inside of that I

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always had the idea in the back of my

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head that while I'm doing this I'm also

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thinking about the big picture questions

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of Who am I really

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and why am i here really and the thing

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for me which I guess was surprising when

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I started a podcasting is I thought okay

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I've kind of lived this kind of dual

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thing but everyone's doing it right I

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mean ultimately if they could everyone

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would be asking those questions and when

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I got to that point and started spending

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full time asking those questions and my

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approach was just to approach the the

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people who were ordained with being the

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knowledge holders the scientists the

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experts I found that now now they're not

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really interested in truth seeking and

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the way that we're talking about it or

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spiritual seeking in the way that we're

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talking about it they're kind of stuck

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in a different thing and because I know

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you through I met you through Gordon

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white and some of the interviews you did

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there and I've listened some of your

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other interviews

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you have a somewhat similar but also

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very different path that you've taken

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that I think people will find really

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interesting in terms of what that

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spiritual seeking is for you yeah the

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code-named distance and the rejection

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suppression of information that could

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revolutionize different minds and hearts

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particularly in academia and the

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scientific world is very real look at

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history you know the fringe is always

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sort of the next step in in the

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evolution of consciousness and it's it

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goes without saying that there's a lot

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of people in that field who have a lot

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of there's a lot of lot resting on their

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continuation or perpetuation of sort of

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a materialist view point especially let

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me jump in there for one second because

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I agree with that but I also think that

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you know just like there's a difference

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between my story and your story there's

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also just a different kind of

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orientation that people start with that

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require that they go down one path I

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mean you thought I'm from a mitzi I came

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from a materialist perspective when I

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first started but you had some

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experiences that kind of pulled you in

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another direction right well I think we

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all have those experiences Alex I think

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we either attune to the connection that

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we have with that reality or we don't we

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reject it and suppress it or we don't

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and so I just paid attention my

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experience with understanding my spirit

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some sort of spirituality in my life

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which I simply define as basically

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exploring understanding and expanding my

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experience of connection with life

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that's my basic definition of

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spirituality how am I connected in what

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ways what's going on internally through

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all my internal layers and how does that

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connect to the outside world as well as

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I skip folks a sense and I think I've

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heard this before but some of the

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earliest experiences you remember of

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having that kind of knock on the door

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kind of awareness that then you said you

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connected to what was that what were

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they what were they connected with

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psychedelics were they connected with

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paranormal experiences and alien

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encounters how did it come for you well

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power

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and other independent intelligence

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experiences came later when I was about

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to ask the question the universe is

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expanding but what is it actually

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expanding into that metaphysical met a

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metaphysical metaphysical question

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really got that sort of that energy

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spinning within me and like okay I've

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got some questions now that's where is

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this bloody universe that we call the

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so that spatial question sort of

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catalyzed an ongoing search for the

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truth and as my life unfolded I realized

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that there was the sort of weed

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coincidences which some people call

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synchronicities but there seems to be

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this meaningful connection on some level

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and I was very skeptical at the start

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even though there was some really big

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stuff happening like why especially like

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well I'd give us an example and also you

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know just to kind of drill into this a

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little bit more if I was 12 years old

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and I was 12 years old and I had like

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maybe thoughts like that maybe not as

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profound as that but I would just go and

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ask my dad or ask somebody else or ask a

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teacher as a last resort

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yeah I'd be done with it so why wasn't

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that enough for you

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what was there's something unique there

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that that drove you in a different

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direction well if I was a little rebel

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from way back when you know I had a lot

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of excess energy I wasn't okay with

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authoritarian figures parents teachers

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etc so I was rebelling in my own way so

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I didn't really have somebody that I

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could look up to and have a good amount

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of respect for word assets or these

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sorts of questions so very early on in

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my childhood and early adulthood I began

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to take serious that I needed to answer

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these questions for myself because I

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wasn't getting I was seeing basically

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lies and deception and hypocrisy all

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around me so I was like well there you

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know what's happening around me isn't a

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satisfactory place to search for these

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answers so I look within so I did that

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there's many ways that pops up the

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there's an infant amount of ways that

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connection can pop up a lot of it had to

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do with symbolism so that I had a lot of

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connections particular animals and

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numbers and people and concepts though

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it's really informational packages that

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are really started to connect with but

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that's an example give me an example

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that I can really understand where your

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experience was probably different than

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your peers or anyone else you knew and

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you're trying to process it and

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experience with a number or an animal or

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something like that at an early age that

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it be I'd be interesting I'd like to

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hear was thought on that well one of the

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first animals are connected with was the

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bat it was because I was very deeply in

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depression when I was younger that the

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shadow so I really came to my for fun

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very very early and so I just had this

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odd connection with bats that would

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appear to me at certain times I would

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swoop me all this sort of crazy stuff

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you can you can sort an example but

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that's really not going to be

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satisfactory it's satisfactory to me how

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old were you when you started just

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seeing having a lot of encounters with

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bats and that kinda thing well that

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would have been around 1718 something

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like that and so but what I did alex is

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I was a skeptic and I wanted to

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rationalize this so I looked at all

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these experiences happening the not gone

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okay well the chance of that for example

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happening is in million-to-one and then

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something else happen that it's directly

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related to that and I was like okay well

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the chance of that happening is like a

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billion or one I was just sort of making

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these figures up in my head but I was

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sort of trying to calculate if it was

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just random chance or if there was some

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connection and as these these

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connections these meaningful

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synchronicities or these experiences

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kept on happening that indicated that I

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was connected I got to the point where I

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was like well that's now infinity to one

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basically chances were already out there

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is some basic connection now of course

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so that process is the trickster energy

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the shadow stuff that you get a little

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bit so I Chuck with certain things

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against very confusing but certainly

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certainly there is a lens that you can

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look through on life that show that that

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starts with the basic premise of are you

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are connected so that's basically the

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from materialism to some sort of

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idealism or animism or whatever it may

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be for each individual but essentially

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we've got to trim the ego to not just

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understand I as it's understood

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etymologically but it needs to

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understand we so as we sup to connect

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with our reality and become conscious of

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those connections not only are we more

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capable of seeing it because we're

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developing a conceptual framework and

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apparatus that actually can interpret

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the experience more aligned to that

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connection but we're also creating that

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connection that co-creation process also

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because we're sending out

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electromagnetic vibrations for having

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this informational exchange with our

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reality in a way that actually brings

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that connection even further to the

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forefront so I believe that we all have

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these sorts of experiences some of which

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are very obvious at times of people some

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of them are very subtle a lot of people

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reject it and pretend it's not happening

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and just label as coincidence a lot of

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people understand the connection and so

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essentially hold on hold on one second

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Phil because here's where I guess it

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gets interesting on a couple of

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different levels one is you know you

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said a bunch of stuff that I agree with

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and then you said some stuff I'm not so

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sure of and at the same time let's talk

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about that yeah so when you say you know

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the electromagnetic connection you know

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I just interviewed dr. Dean Radin and I

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know that you've interviewed dr. Dean

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Radin on your show and Raiden's path is

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kind of interesting because it's kind of

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crossing your path you're into magic

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kind of more than I am I'm kind of a

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little bit leery of the spiritual

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architecture it presupposes and whether

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it really established that but rate is

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kind of jumping over and saying yeah

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that's I want to explore that and stuff

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like that but at the same time he'll

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tell you in their lab they've tested for

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the electromagnetic connection

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associated with size / paranormal /

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magic as they've studied it and he says

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no they can't find any trace of it now

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that doesn't mean that it's not there

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but don't we have to kind of

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seriously the best we have and that's

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what Raiden is in terms of researching

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this when he says well guys with our

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tools if we're gonna look at it in that

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way that you're talking about there Phil

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we've done it I've done it it it doesn't

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show up I've built the Faraday cage I've

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done all the stuff and it doesn't show

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up what do you make of that well well it

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size just in the point to the evidence

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from side the heart math Institute that

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there is a an electromagnetic field that

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goes well beyond the physical body I'm

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coming from the heart as well as the

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brain there's all layers of the

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electromagnetism so regardless if

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they're able to capture that in a lab in

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terms of how that interacts with the

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other fields and you can also look at it

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more for more photogenic as well such as

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show Drake's work there's that's another

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layer of fields that because again I

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want to parse this I want to parse this

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kind of carefully anything more you have

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to say on the heart math folks and the

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that stuff I'd love to hear because

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that's an interview that's in my queue

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that hasn't happened the research there

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is solid and it's we don't know what it

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means but it's solid and it's extremely

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extremely compelling kind of stuff

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switch over to Sheldrick and I agree

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with you but Sheldrick isn't measuring

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fields in that way he's hypothesizing

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that the way this might work is some

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kind of field but again he's measured

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for the kind of fields that we know of

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and they don't exist but you're right it

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but but again you we don't really know

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what sheldricks saying either because we

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don't know what all these guys are

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saying because there is this backdoor

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materialism of it too so I get too far

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going let's talk more about the heart

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stuff have you done any interviews on

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that or what is your research told you

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where do you think that research leads

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us and then let's talk about children

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look it's a really good field now I

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haven't talked into an actual podcast

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and that set means something that's I

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would like to do maybe we'll do one

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together yeah sure sure will it be Olsen

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too I sort of get down to you know sort

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of where they are what the clarity is

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that they research

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shown and look one of the biggest things

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I love about the research into the heart

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is the neurology that's been found in it

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so there's 40,000 nerve cells or neurons

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within the heart there's a hundred burn

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billion in the cerebral brain 100

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million in the digestive system

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the cerebral and digestive system used

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to be connected in the fetus so it was

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originally one brain and then a

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disconnected at some point and was still

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connected via I am the nervous system

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obviously but there's all this

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independent analysis going on in our

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body and including on a cellular level

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as well and the way that there's this

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quantum biology and the instantaneous

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sharing and communication throughout the

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body but there are some primary areas of

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analysis and essentially determining a

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response to environmental stimuli and

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the heart is the first thing that

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responds to our environmental stimuli so

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there's there's the information that is

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generating from our heart and then it

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combines with whatever is coming from

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the gut the gut brain the second brain

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as well as the cerebral brain and some

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of they all combine together and give us

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our conscious awareness our egoic

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snapshot our final snapshot of infinite

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consciousness as I like to describe it

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so that the highly is a very powerful

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tool that we are if we listen and/or

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learn to listen better that we can some

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learn this sort of information that is

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trying to tell us and isn't it

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interesting it's always just remarkable

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when these findings revolutionary new

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science findings map perfectly with

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wisdom that's been passed down forever

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and also just stuff that we experience I

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mean you got talk to your grandmother

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and she'll talk about I mean most

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grandmother's will about the heart and

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feeling the heart and opening you to all

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this very kind of active verbage

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language that connects completely to

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what the new revolutionary work what

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research is saying and just from a

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longer term kind of passed down wisdom

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the symbology of what the heart it just

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maps perfectly with this so it's it's

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always amazing when we have these you

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know but it's again a myth of progress

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kind of thing oh here's our new

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discovery oh yeah they've known for

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thousands of years gonna think yeah

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that's right there is a better alignment

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from in scientific sort of investigation

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with some of the ancient or traditional

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disciplines particularly spiritual and

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that's fantastic and there's so much for

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science to evolve through as well a

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particular approach right now the

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empirical approach it could potentially

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be evolved to incorporate the inner

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world so how do we sort of quantify and

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qualify more internally as well there's

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we're very much at the beginning and

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obviously no guy got to jump in there I

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told you I was gonna skeptical you a

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million times so I'm gonna jump in there

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again this gets to this topic that I

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kind of just touch on sometimes and it

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might be fun to stretch it out into a

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little bit longer discussion and that's

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the phrase I always put on it is back

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door materialism you know so it's like

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we're out there preaching

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post-materialism hey materialism doesn't

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work and consciousness is the underlying

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fundamental nature of everything and

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everything arises out of a consciousness

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and then as soon as we get any kind of

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momentum we want to go back and go and

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here's how we can measure it control it

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you know mm make it better optimize it

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you know it's like wait a minute well in

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what way would that mean anything to use

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empirical means to you know study the

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efficacy of I mean that's there's a

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underlying contradiction there that

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suggests that that begins with the the

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assumption that driving this back into

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the material world and measuring it in

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some way is somehow good useful

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important for some goal that we have

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ill-defined and we really think we've

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moved past I mean do you get where I'm

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at all coming from with the back door

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materialism yeah but I would say that

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the material world isn't the material

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world it's an expression of reality and

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when we look at scientific investigation

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into that expression of reality if we

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look through

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from lens we're going to see it

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differently we're going to have

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different results but we shouldn't be

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looking at as for science is only the

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study of matter science isn't the study

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of matter science is the the organic

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investigation of humanity into reality

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and so how that are unfolds how we

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measure and actually interact interact

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with the so-called material world which

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is very much connected to the quantum

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physical world that's connected to the

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observer and how that and the collapse

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of the wavefunction into a particle

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experience all the way that the creative

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process happens as well as things that

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we don't sort of know about so I would

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suggest that science is perfectly doing

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you know what it's meant to be doing is

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investing in investigating I hear you

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and I'm gonna bring you back to a point

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where we read in our prior discussion

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that to me gets at this question in a

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beautiful way and I was telling you

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about

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my story with my friend and excellent

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host of the terrific show but at the gas

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pump that I always referenced because

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it's an incredible show with so many

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incredibly spiritually awakening people

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as Rick calls them and one of them is aa

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known as the hugging Saint you know and

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I love this story about Amma

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because in a way I think it combines

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what you're saying with what I'm saying

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but in a way it leaves a big gap so Amma

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is this person who definitely from all

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appearances for millions of people seems

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like an awakened or an awakening soul

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with incredible spiritual presence

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whatever that means to doubters or

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whatever I don't know just you go check

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her out I checked her out I went to a

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weekend and weekend with her in LA I

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didn't have an incredible spiritual

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experience but a lot of other people did

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and that's means something not everyone

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I think is intended to have the same

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experience at the same time but the

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story that about Amma that I love is

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Amma is tireless in her work you just go

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see her and however old she is I don't

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know how her physical body withstands

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the work that she does and on the last

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day she stays up for like 36 hours

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kant's

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like hugging people helping people doing

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all this stuff and when she's in India

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if you watch the videos it's even more

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impressive she's out there digging

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latrines with the untouchables and all

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this stuff and one of her disciples went

548
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:18,970
up to her one day and said I'm on you

549
00:22:24,930 --> 00:22:22,450
you're always talking about how the

550
00:22:27,210 --> 00:22:24,940
world doesn't exist in there were

551
00:22:27,810 --> 00:22:27,220
spiritual beings and none of this stuff

552
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:27,820
matters

553
00:22:33,540 --> 00:22:30,400
and yet you're doing all this stuff for

554
00:22:34,740 --> 00:22:33,550
the world and her response is what I've

555
00:22:39,900 --> 00:22:34,750
written there on the page

556
00:22:43,740 --> 00:22:39,910
she says world what world as if she's

557
00:22:47,070 --> 00:22:43,750
the embodiment of that kind of Vedantic

558
00:22:50,670 --> 00:22:47,080
yogic kind of beautiful contradiction of

559
00:22:53,730 --> 00:22:50,680
someone who realizes that you know just

560
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:53,740
because you're in service doesn't mean

561
00:22:59,130 --> 00:22:55,930
you're attached at all to any of the

562
00:23:02,250 --> 00:22:59,140
service you're just this soul being

563
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:02,260
who's kind of going through life that is

564
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:05,650
that paradox that catch-22 world what

565
00:23:12,810 --> 00:23:09,250
world contradiction to me explains the

566
00:23:15,810 --> 00:23:12,820
back door materialism but Dean Radin

567
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:15,820
doesn't impair using new empirical means

568
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:18,640
to find out you know how magic really

569
00:23:26,910 --> 00:23:21,610
works that doesn't that doesn't ring

570
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:26,920
true to me in a way that Alma does bill

571
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:29,850
I throw it to you buddy what do you say

572
00:23:34,260 --> 00:23:32,650
yeah well it's divine economy life is

573
00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:34,270
full of divine and economies isn't it

574
00:23:37,860 --> 00:23:35,710
that's the main true series that I've

575
00:23:40,620 --> 00:23:37,870
talked about it's fun so the big paradox

576
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:40,630
in many many ways for example how can we

577
00:23:46,740 --> 00:23:44,080
have one thing but also two things so

578
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:46,750
many you know this monastic view on life

579
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:48,730
there is only one thing which is Palace

580
00:23:53,790 --> 00:23:50,770
or the New Age sort of appropriation

581
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:53,800
stuff but but also has duality work with

582
00:23:57,360 --> 00:23:55,360
that and I just look at as simply is

583
00:23:58,530 --> 00:23:57,370
okay well there's look at it as mass you

584
00:24:00,240 --> 00:23:58,540
got different numbers which are

585
00:24:02,190 --> 00:24:00,250
individual numbers on the mathematical

586
00:24:04,050 --> 00:24:02,200
spectrum the mathematical spectrum is

587
00:24:06,510 --> 00:24:04,060
the one thing each number is the truth

588
00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:06,520
so zero one is your first step to ality

589
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:09,070
and then it continues so but look I I

590
00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:11,890
appreciate her and her choice in terms

591
00:24:16,570 --> 00:24:13,840
of how she wants to provide that capital

592
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:16,580
less service as fantastic I learned a

593
00:24:21,130 --> 00:24:18,559
long time ago to provide that uppercase

594
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:21,140
s service to myself first and foremost

595
00:24:25,330 --> 00:24:22,640
that spiritual service I really

596
00:24:27,850 --> 00:24:25,340
genuinely look at what it means to be an

597
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:27,860
authentic person and care for myself go

598
00:24:32,019 --> 00:24:29,360
through the self healing go through

599
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:32,029
whatever sort of magic of life you can

600
00:24:35,799 --> 00:24:33,440
experience but I only live in this life

601
00:24:37,810 --> 00:24:35,809
once I like so as you know we may as

602
00:24:39,789 --> 00:24:37,820
well have a cracker and then really

603
00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:39,799
enjoy it but really live it you know

604
00:24:45,009 --> 00:24:42,529
facilitate the best sort of experience

605
00:24:47,769 --> 00:24:45,019
of well-being of good experience that we

606
00:24:50,139 --> 00:24:47,779
possibly can but I would like I would

607
00:24:51,549 --> 00:24:50,149
suggest you know especially myself but

608
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:51,559
also others that we need to have some

609
00:24:57,700 --> 00:24:55,090
sort of balance okay fine she wants to

610
00:24:59,440 --> 00:24:57,710
decide that there is no world I would

611
00:25:01,060 --> 00:24:59,450
sort of disagree with that I would say

612
00:25:03,250 --> 00:25:01,070
there is a wall okay it might be

613
00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:03,260
deceptive in terms of the fundamental

614
00:25:06,759 --> 00:25:04,130
nature of reality

615
00:25:09,009 --> 00:25:06,769
but we're literally having this jewelers

616
00:25:10,779 --> 00:25:09,019
experience the way I describe that is

617
00:25:12,159 --> 00:25:10,789
there's some people you know the

618
00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:12,169
spiritual community essentially says

619
00:25:17,620 --> 00:25:15,230
that consciousness or mind or spirit is

620
00:25:19,810 --> 00:25:17,630
at the core of reality and then the

621
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:19,820
material world is some sort of illusion

622
00:25:24,129 --> 00:25:21,289
and I would suggest that a guy is

623
00:25:27,129 --> 00:25:24,139
deceptive and it's not necessarily the

624
00:25:29,169 --> 00:25:27,139
you know a pure expression of what

625
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:29,179
reality is but it's still an experience

626
00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:31,130
we're having and so if you want to spend

627
00:25:36,220 --> 00:25:34,370
your life only giving to others and not

628
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:36,230
really to yourself or giving to others

629
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:38,450
is a expression or given to self as well

630
00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:40,250
anyway so there's a great argument there

631
00:25:45,549 --> 00:25:42,710
that I'd like to experience my life I'm

632
00:25:47,620 --> 00:25:45,559
not going to invest all of my service in

633
00:25:49,509 --> 00:25:47,630
in the outside world I'm gonna do it

634
00:25:51,370 --> 00:25:49,519
after for myself including having some

635
00:25:53,259 --> 00:25:51,380
fun you know really live my life to the

636
00:25:56,139 --> 00:25:53,269
best you know best of my ability work

637
00:25:59,080 --> 00:25:56,149
out all these layers which is a big part

638
00:26:01,180 --> 00:25:59,090
of what I've been sort of sharing with

639
00:26:02,830 --> 00:26:01,190
my audiences really connecting with the

640
00:26:04,750 --> 00:26:02,840
various layers of health including

641
00:26:06,879 --> 00:26:04,760
things like creativity and expression

642
00:26:09,639 --> 00:26:06,889
that creativity in going on adventures

643
00:26:11,379 --> 00:26:09,649
and you know whatever face your fears

644
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:11,389
jump out of a paint doesn't sort of mana

645
00:26:15,940 --> 00:26:13,610
so that's her choice around how she

646
00:26:17,710 --> 00:26:15,950
wants to conceptualize life she

647
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:17,720
conceptualizes is what world

648
00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:20,210
okay sure on one level I believe that is

649
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:21,769
actually true but on another level I'm

650
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:23,690
literally having experience right now

651
00:26:28,580 --> 00:26:26,490
the in this so called a loser

652
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:28,590
and Amaya's will enjoy it it's a very

653
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:31,050
very real experience regardless it is

654
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:33,840
not a very very real reflection of true

655
00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:37,770
reality you know I really like where

656
00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:40,260
we're going with this discussion because

657
00:26:46,790 --> 00:26:43,110
it's a discussion that I really have a

658
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:46,800
chance to have on skeptic oh and I like

659
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:49,440
that the way it's kind of flowing is

660
00:26:54,130 --> 00:26:51,690
really consistent with the two things

661
00:26:59,660 --> 00:26:54,140
you brought up at the beginning is

662
00:27:01,940 --> 00:26:59,670
spirituality and truth and I think what

663
00:27:03,410 --> 00:27:01,950
you're talking about is kind of a cool

664
00:27:05,780 --> 00:27:03,420
way of putting it I like that you just

665
00:27:08,030 --> 00:27:05,790
kind of push back and and the way you're

666
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:08,040
pushing back makes sense and I think

667
00:27:13,730 --> 00:27:10,770
will make sense to a lot of people but

668
00:27:15,380 --> 00:27:13,740
along those lines I want to take it one

669
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:15,390
step further because there's another

670
00:27:22,790 --> 00:27:18,570
clip that I want to play for you that is

671
00:27:25,010 --> 00:27:22,800
kind of provocative but is highly

672
00:27:28,850 --> 00:27:25,020
meaningful to me and I want to

673
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:28,860
reintroduce it and see if we can talk on

674
00:27:38,050 --> 00:27:34,080
this for a while so next next up for

675
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:38,060
consideration Phil is another bat gap

676
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:41,610
guest a guy that I'm sure slipped

677
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:44,000
through the slipped under the radar for

678
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:46,410
90% of the people who listen to bat gap

679
00:27:51,770 --> 00:27:49,410
but it's a guy who said something that

680
00:27:54,050 --> 00:27:51,780
just has stuck with me and has been so

681
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:54,060
meaningful to me it's in my list of

682
00:27:59,630 --> 00:27:57,360
daily questions that I ask and challenge

683
00:28:02,660 --> 00:27:59,640
myself with to kind of propel me forward

684
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:02,670
the guy's name is Nuria Khushi he's a

685
00:28:08,150 --> 00:28:05,600
Japanese truck driver he's American but

686
00:28:11,170 --> 00:28:08,160
Japanese by ancestry and he's a truck

687
00:28:14,270 --> 00:28:11,180
driver really is a truck driver and his

688
00:28:16,340 --> 00:28:14,280
experience and you got to give Rick

689
00:28:17,450 --> 00:28:16,350
Archer again a ton of credit cuz true to

690
00:28:20,660 --> 00:28:17,460
the name of the show Buddha at the gas

691
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:20,670
pumps suggests that Buddha may be right

692
00:28:25,970 --> 00:28:22,410
there you know fill it up with diesel

693
00:28:29,570 --> 00:28:25,980
the truck stop this guy claims he never

694
00:28:33,260 --> 00:28:29,580
was into meditation never was into you

695
00:28:35,660 --> 00:28:33,270
know deep kind of spiritual devotion of

696
00:28:37,820 --> 00:28:35,670
any kind or another but was

697
00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:37,830
contemplating these deep questions on

698
00:28:40,340 --> 00:28:39,900
the road and thinking very deeply about

699
00:28:42,169 --> 00:28:40,350
him

700
00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:42,179
and the one thing that he said which I

701
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:44,760
just think is a golden golden nugget I'm

702
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:46,530
gonna play for you and then we can talk

703
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:52,320
about it the words came up here they

704
00:28:58,940 --> 00:28:55,919
said life is not going to turn out and

705
00:29:02,870 --> 00:28:58,950
I'm gonna stop it right there in order

706
00:29:04,669 --> 00:29:02,880
to keep it beautifully succinct and I

707
00:29:08,299 --> 00:29:04,679
want to expound on it a little bit

708
00:29:10,490 --> 00:29:08,309
because it's one of those things that I

709
00:29:12,770 --> 00:29:10,500
think is so great in the truth-seeking

710
00:29:15,380 --> 00:29:12,780
path that we're talking about in the

711
00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:15,390
spiritual seeking path that someone can

712
00:29:21,230 --> 00:29:17,640
say one little throwaway line like that

713
00:29:22,909 --> 00:29:21,240
and it can reach into my soul and touch

714
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:22,919
me and it doesn't reach into everybody's

715
00:29:29,870 --> 00:29:25,440
soul but it reaches into my soul and it

716
00:29:32,690 --> 00:29:29,880
says you know I'm a doer I make things

717
00:29:34,970 --> 00:29:32,700
happen and I'm successful and I have a

718
00:29:36,740 --> 00:29:34,980
good family and a wife and all this

719
00:29:39,620 --> 00:29:36,750
stuff and I made it happen

720
00:29:42,770 --> 00:29:39,630
and you know what it's not gonna work

721
00:29:45,919 --> 00:29:42,780
out it never works out something is

722
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:45,929
always looming that isn't gonna work out

723
00:29:53,180 --> 00:29:49,679
and it truly from a deeper I get into my

724
00:29:55,820 --> 00:29:53,190
spirituality the deeper I understand the

725
00:29:58,430 --> 00:29:55,830
fundamental truth in that that I want to

726
00:30:01,250 --> 00:29:58,440
control things I want to scheme I want

727
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:01,260
to even if it's good scheming I want you

728
00:30:05,270 --> 00:30:03,090
know to scheme on the behalf of my kids

729
00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:05,280
or on behalf of this group of that group

730
00:30:11,539 --> 00:30:08,340
and in the end none of the scheming ever

731
00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:11,549
works out because that's not what

732
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:15,240
service is about that's not what what

733
00:30:20,450 --> 00:30:18,000
world is about she's saying the same

734
00:30:23,570 --> 00:30:20,460
thing she's saying I'm just doing this

735
00:30:26,270 --> 00:30:23,580
crazy [\h__\h] cuz I'm doing it not because

736
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:26,280
I think it's gonna work out it's just

737
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:31,770
what I am drawn to do at the moment okay

738
00:30:37,399 --> 00:30:34,890
mate I throw it all I toss it over to

739
00:30:41,299 --> 00:30:37,409
you that's that a lot gonna tempted it

740
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:41,309
all the accent that might as well I got

741
00:30:45,470 --> 00:30:43,110
halfway into it and then I said I'll

742
00:30:47,810 --> 00:30:45,480
stick with the Chicago but I'll use the

743
00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:47,820
the mate hey you know all us Americans

744
00:30:51,049 --> 00:30:49,620
we love when someone calls us mate it's

745
00:30:53,690 --> 00:30:51,059
like the greatest thing in the world you

746
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:53,700
know that's a very endearing time but

747
00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:54,090
yeah

748
00:30:58,460 --> 00:30:56,700
life doesn't work out as we expect sure

749
00:31:00,080 --> 00:30:58,470
because we've got once that don't align

750
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:00,090
with needs that's the way I'll sort of

751
00:31:05,210 --> 00:31:02,970
conceptualize it very early on I was

752
00:31:07,910 --> 00:31:05,220
going okay but this is always but my

753
00:31:09,740 --> 00:31:07,920
desires aren't work coming to fruition a

754
00:31:11,950 --> 00:31:09,750
lot of the time a lot of the time they

755
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:11,960
do I think we are very powerful

756
00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:14,730
co-creators in our reality our potential

757
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:18,600
to manifest our potential so the the

758
00:31:24,350 --> 00:31:21,360
potential we have as manifested in our

759
00:31:26,180 --> 00:31:24,360
experience is very very strong how I

760
00:31:27,770 --> 00:31:26,190
learned it learn to figure it out myself

761
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:27,780
is set up because the subconscious

762
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:30,570
activity at the subconscious is one of

763
00:31:34,790 --> 00:31:32,850
the most powerful manifestos more so

764
00:31:36,350 --> 00:31:34,800
than the ego it might at least then I

765
00:31:41,090 --> 00:31:36,360
need to connect with my what's going on

766
00:31:44,270 --> 00:31:41,100
subconsciously to really amplify my

767
00:31:46,910 --> 00:31:44,280
manifest manifest a potential so to

768
00:31:48,050 --> 00:31:46,920
speak that also goes the blueprint etc

769
00:31:50,540 --> 00:31:48,060
as well which I'll talk about in a

770
00:31:52,580 --> 00:31:50,550
little bit but essentially some things

771
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,590
do work out and then it's great we

772
00:31:58,330 --> 00:31:54,480
achieve goals whatever it may be

773
00:32:00,680 --> 00:31:58,340
sometimes we don't this is in a sort of

774
00:32:02,750 --> 00:32:00,690
conflict that we all are sort of

775
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:02,760
experiencing where we're trying to

776
00:32:08,390 --> 00:32:04,890
achieve whatever it may be whatever

777
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:08,400
goals and whatnot and again it doesn't

778
00:32:13,670 --> 00:32:11,490
turn out sometimes so I guess what I'm

779
00:32:15,860 --> 00:32:13,680
saying is that well I'd like to start

780
00:32:17,390 --> 00:32:15,870
off with that answer in terms of

781
00:32:19,670 --> 00:32:17,400
something you said before you said about

782
00:32:22,220 --> 00:32:19,680
instead awakening instead of awaken and

783
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:22,230
I think it's really integral that as a

784
00:32:26,150 --> 00:32:24,450
seeker of truth you know undertaking

785
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:26,160
this process of trying to work out what

786
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:28,170
the hell's going on is that we aren't we

787
00:32:32,180 --> 00:32:30,210
really embed into us that it's a journey

788
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:32,190
we need to ask the questions we're so

789
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:36,210
seriously do we accept when we're wrong

790
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:38,010
Oh what is our capacity to actually

791
00:32:41,510 --> 00:32:39,930
accept within us when we've been wrong

792
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,520
about something do we apply called near

793
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:43,440
distance or are we open enough to

794
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:44,850
receive near information in a way to

795
00:32:48,590 --> 00:32:47,130
revolutionize our belief systems or you

796
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:48,600
know just certain beliefs within them

797
00:32:53,780 --> 00:32:51,210
the other question is do we really

798
00:32:55,340 --> 00:32:53,790
accept when we don't know so there's a

799
00:32:57,020 --> 00:32:55,350
very very important question that we

800
00:32:59,600 --> 00:32:57,030
need to embrace within ourselves do we

801
00:33:00,800 --> 00:32:59,610
fill gaps even on an unconscious or

802
00:33:04,010 --> 00:33:00,810
subconscious level that we're not really

803
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,020
aware or are we facing ourselves faced

804
00:33:07,890 --> 00:33:06,960
thyself in a way where a genuine in

805
00:33:10,140 --> 00:33:07,900
terms of we

806
00:33:12,030 --> 00:33:10,150
wrong about something and we seriously

807
00:33:14,460 --> 00:33:12,040
don't know the answer to it so this is a

808
00:33:16,050 --> 00:33:14,470
journey of waking up not by alright

809
00:33:17,940 --> 00:33:16,060
we've reached a plateau I'm now

810
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:17,950
conscious I'm now awakened or

811
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:19,570
enlightened or empowered or whatever

812
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:21,910
that some people like to get to

813
00:33:26,010 --> 00:33:24,250
I prefer personally because you know I

814
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:26,020
don't want I get bored pretty quickly so

815
00:33:29,310 --> 00:33:27,730
if I've got to do with myself the way I

816
00:33:31,950 --> 00:33:29,320
am right now for the rest of my life I'm

817
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:31,960
gonna be pretty disappointed I need to

818
00:33:35,550 --> 00:33:34,000
revolutionize and have reverse in my

819
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,560
life and continue on this journey so

820
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:37,360
that's a really good starting point in

821
00:33:40,980 --> 00:33:39,850
terms of connecting with what the

822
00:33:43,410 --> 00:33:40,990
process that we're actually going

823
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:43,420
through now through that process we want

824
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:45,490
to try and create stuff we want to have

825
00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:49,360
desires Maps we want to add it's sort of

826
00:33:54,420 --> 00:33:52,540
interesting ensure that our expectations

827
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:54,430
come into manifestation to a certain

828
00:34:00,450 --> 00:33:58,210
degree I realize much early quite early

829
00:34:02,220 --> 00:34:00,460
on my journey that I had these wants

830
00:34:02,850 --> 00:34:02,230
these desires that weren't connected to

831
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:02,860
my needs

832
00:34:07,530 --> 00:34:05,710
so what I did is I undertook a process

833
00:34:10,110 --> 00:34:07,540
of trying to align my needs

834
00:34:11,730 --> 00:34:10,120
with my wants so how do you work out

835
00:34:13,740 --> 00:34:11,740
what your needs are you paid attention

836
00:34:16,740 --> 00:34:13,750
to experience the way I like to describe

837
00:34:18,450 --> 00:34:16,750
this Alex is one of the most powerful

838
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:18,460
manifested in my life was not my

839
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:20,320
subconscious and not my ego was

840
00:34:24,330 --> 00:34:22,720
something else whatever created me in

841
00:34:26,130 --> 00:34:24,340
this particular time and space with

842
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:26,140
these parents with this unity to these

843
00:34:30,870 --> 00:34:28,210
epigenetic experiences with Israeli

844
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:30,880
stuff that sort of influenced how I was

845
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:33,690
programmed into reality that blueprint

846
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:36,130
which some people call the soul other

847
00:34:39,090 --> 00:34:37,330
people might just call it growth

848
00:34:40,860 --> 00:34:39,100
potential there's many ways of

849
00:34:43,230 --> 00:34:40,870
describing whatever this thing is right

850
00:34:45,389 --> 00:34:43,240
at the very fundamental layer of us as

851
00:34:47,310 --> 00:34:45,399
and then there's also that in it

852
00:34:49,860 --> 00:34:47,320
connects with the whole co-creative

853
00:34:51,630 --> 00:34:49,870
collective type conscious sort of greed

854
00:34:54,780 --> 00:34:51,640
energy group that we've got going on as

855
00:34:56,820 --> 00:34:54,790
well but I've decided to pay attention

856
00:34:58,740 --> 00:34:56,830
to that because it was helping me I just

857
00:35:00,900 --> 00:34:58,750
saw this guidance in my life that went

858
00:35:02,730 --> 00:35:00,910
okay well I didn't create that that was

859
00:35:05,010 --> 00:35:02,740
definitely not subconscious because it's

860
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:05,020
not part of my apparatus at that point

861
00:35:09,150 --> 00:35:06,730
so what I need to do is connect with

862
00:35:11,370 --> 00:35:09,160
this blueprint and this blueprint was

863
00:35:14,670 --> 00:35:11,380
showing me my needs essentially and the

864
00:35:18,750 --> 00:35:14,680
way I described is just my needs are my

865
00:35:20,610 --> 00:35:18,760
realizing my growth potential so in

866
00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:20,620
other words well that means it's

867
00:35:23,789 --> 00:35:21,369
connecting with the

868
00:35:25,890 --> 00:35:23,799
spays of the expansion of your

869
00:35:27,150 --> 00:35:25,900
experience of consciousness so that's

870
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:27,160
what I took seriously I just went okay

871
00:35:32,220 --> 00:35:29,710
well I know my this blueprint which can

872
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:32,230
be very tricky at times it can be very

873
00:35:37,890 --> 00:35:34,089
hard to discern whether or not that's

874
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:37,900
that or something else but I did accept

875
00:35:42,359 --> 00:35:40,210
and respect its existence and started

876
00:35:44,759 --> 00:35:42,369
trying to align with it and so through

877
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:44,769
that process I realized that all right

878
00:35:48,839 --> 00:35:46,720
so it's got some needs but those needs

879
00:35:51,150 --> 00:35:48,849
can be met in an infinite amount of ways

880
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:51,160
they don't have to happen in this time

881
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:52,480
of space with this particular person

882
00:35:56,789 --> 00:35:54,730
having this particular experience he

883
00:35:59,970 --> 00:35:56,799
needs him you met your growth potential

884
00:36:02,039 --> 00:35:59,980
can be met in myriad ways so therefore

885
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:02,049
there's all there's the other aspect of

886
00:36:06,329 --> 00:36:04,210
the cord free will that can freely

887
00:36:08,579 --> 00:36:06,339
choose how to have your needs met so I

888
00:36:10,859 --> 00:36:08,589
just went okay well put down what you

889
00:36:13,170 --> 00:36:10,869
think he wants that's okay to have your

890
00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:13,180
desires fill let that roll to the best

891
00:36:17,220 --> 00:36:15,369
the ability but if they don't come to

892
00:36:19,049 --> 00:36:17,230
fruition if they are out of alignment

893
00:36:20,430 --> 00:36:19,059
would wherever these fundamental needs

894
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:20,440
are and that's cool

895
00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:23,049
so I detached pretty early from actually

896
00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:25,089
having to achieve this with this

897
00:36:29,069 --> 00:36:26,710
particular time and all the rest of it

898
00:36:31,319 --> 00:36:29,079
that gave me a level of freedom that

899
00:36:33,630 --> 00:36:31,329
I've never actually had before now in

900
00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:33,640
saying that it's also awesome so when I

901
00:36:37,710 --> 00:36:35,529
actually create your reality to create

902
00:36:39,089 --> 00:36:37,720
whatever you want and so it's this

903
00:36:41,220 --> 00:36:39,099
balance between

904
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:41,230
trying to come in to sort of align with

905
00:36:48,229 --> 00:36:45,970
your needs there are there is situations

906
00:36:50,999 --> 00:36:48,239
where your needs do not contradict with

907
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:51,009
whatever your desires might be so to

908
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:53,680
have I don't know a garden out the back

909
00:36:57,359 --> 00:36:55,210
with the particular arrangements of

910
00:36:59,309 --> 00:36:57,369
vegetables and fruits or whatever that

911
00:37:00,989 --> 00:36:59,319
might not necessarily line fundamental

912
00:37:03,089 --> 00:37:00,999
to the absolute needs that we have so

913
00:37:04,529 --> 00:37:03,099
we've got the power to sort of create

914
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:04,539
within that framework within those

915
00:37:09,180 --> 00:37:06,609
boundaries and I'd love to talk a little

916
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:09,190
bit about boundaries in a bit but you

917
00:37:14,549 --> 00:37:11,920
know it's one of those things where are

918
00:37:16,620 --> 00:37:14,559
you truly your needs can you align your

919
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:16,630
wants team needs are you going to be

920
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:18,400
disappointed as their suffering is there

921
00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:21,249
a lack of realization of expectations

922
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:23,529
yes well you're gonna cry about it is

923
00:37:27,509 --> 00:37:24,730
there going to be some something that

924
00:37:29,759 --> 00:37:27,519
causes you essentially abuse yourself

925
00:37:31,739 --> 00:37:29,769
over so you do you in focus off abuse

926
00:37:33,569 --> 00:37:31,749
self-harm over the fact that your

927
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,579
desires aren't being met there's a whole

928
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:35,760
process of dealing with this

929
00:37:40,620 --> 00:37:38,320
mr. e because really this is what it is

930
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:40,630
we're talking about truth earlier if

931
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:43,930
we're not getting to a point where if we

932
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:45,040
get to a point where we think we know

933
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:46,480
the absolute truth we probably need to

934
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:48,130
go down the myth to the bottom amount

935
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:50,290
and start again because this this whole

936
00:37:54,930 --> 00:37:52,960
experience is a journey of connecting

937
00:37:57,359 --> 00:37:54,940
with the truth now it's awesome that we

938
00:37:59,730 --> 00:37:57,369
get some really big convictions I sort

939
00:38:02,430 --> 00:37:59,740
of get some bigger frameworks in life do

940
00:38:04,980 --> 00:38:02,440
we absolutely submit and solidify our

941
00:38:07,410 --> 00:38:04,990
souls into those blue systems or are we

942
00:38:09,630 --> 00:38:07,420
open to that evolving and refining and

943
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:09,640
whatever particular way so yeah look

944
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:12,490
it's I appreciate that we don't get our

945
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:16,930
needs at once all the time we can do it

946
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:19,210
at certain times and enjoy the mystery

947
00:38:23,130 --> 00:38:21,910
enjoy the journey Alex you know Phil I

948
00:38:24,750 --> 00:38:23,140
was going to take it in one direction

949
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:24,760
but now I'm going to take it in an

950
00:38:31,020 --> 00:38:27,310
entirely different direction because I

951
00:38:33,630 --> 00:38:31,030
got to say some of that New Age [\h__\h]

952
00:38:36,570 --> 00:38:33,640
it just drives me nuts

953
00:38:37,470 --> 00:38:36,580
from the New Age people and from the

954
00:38:41,490 --> 00:38:37,480
magic people

955
00:38:43,980 --> 00:38:41,500
I mean I've manifested unbelievable [\h__\h]

956
00:38:47,099 --> 00:38:43,990
in my life in terms of wealth in terms

957
00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:47,109
of relationships and in terms of all

958
00:38:53,130 --> 00:38:49,510
that and I didn't do it with no magic I

959
00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:53,140
didn't deal with no new age pyramids or

960
00:38:55,890 --> 00:38:55,510
any of that I did it the old-fashioned

961
00:38:58,170 --> 00:38:55,900
way

962
00:39:01,050 --> 00:38:58,180
I went out and read all the success

963
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:01,060
people that I could find and all the

964
00:39:05,250 --> 00:39:03,310
self-help people and you can call them

965
00:39:07,140 --> 00:39:05,260
magical people because all the magic

966
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:07,150
community wants to go Oh Tony Robbins I

967
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:08,800
went with Tony Robbins and walked on the

968
00:39:13,170 --> 00:39:11,650
fires and I went and read Stephen Covey

969
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:13,180
and all that but they're not approaching

970
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:14,770
him from a magic standpoint they're

971
00:39:19,410 --> 00:39:16,690
approaching it from you have an

972
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:19,420
alignment problem between your beliefs

973
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:22,720
your goals and your actions and here's

974
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:24,160
how you need to make that stuff happen

975
00:39:29,970 --> 00:39:27,010
in order to manifest it there's nothing

976
00:39:33,359 --> 00:39:29,980
to age about it there's nothing magical

977
00:39:36,450 --> 00:39:33,369
about it and guys like this guys like

978
00:39:39,330 --> 00:39:36,460
Bill Gates guys like Warren Buffett who

979
00:39:41,310 --> 00:39:39,340
then the conspiratorial hump can be very

980
00:39:43,890 --> 00:39:41,320
conspiratorial but like I said I'm Craig

981
00:39:46,140 --> 00:39:43,900
Karl would /eo when I interviewed him

982
00:39:48,540 --> 00:39:46,150
and I went off on this rant that proudly

983
00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:48,550
no one got it's like Bill gay

984
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:51,910
go read about Bill Gates yes he was a

985
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:53,530
rich kid yes he was privileged

986
00:39:58,590 --> 00:39:56,050
yes his dad gave a huge leg up in terms

987
00:40:01,500 --> 00:39:58,600
of connections but it was by chance that

988
00:40:04,820 --> 00:40:01,510
he became the second richest guy in the

989
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:04,830
world it was a very strange

990
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:06,730
circumstances he would have been worth

991
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:08,170
100 million dollars no matter how you

992
00:40:10,260 --> 00:40:08,710
cut it

993
00:40:11,940 --> 00:40:10,270
cuz he was brilliant and he hit the

994
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:11,950
right thing at the right time but it

995
00:40:15,870 --> 00:40:13,450
wasn't anything else it wasn't anything

996
00:40:18,210 --> 00:40:15,880
magical Warren Buffett for God's sakes

997
00:40:20,490 --> 00:40:18,220
you can go see every damn transaction

998
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:20,500
he's made it's all in the public record

999
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:23,770
there can't be anything magical or

1000
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:27,520
conspiratorial or secret society about a

1001
00:40:31,950 --> 00:40:30,400
guy who eats at McDonald's every day

1002
00:40:34,110 --> 00:40:31,960
even though he's worth billions of

1003
00:40:36,930 --> 00:40:34,120
dollars people have a fundamental

1004
00:40:39,330 --> 00:40:36,940
confusion about this if you want those

1005
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:39,340
things the way to do them is not through

1006
00:40:44,970 --> 00:40:42,370
new ages stuff not through magical

1007
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:44,980
practices just go down to the bookstore

1008
00:40:50,460 --> 00:40:48,130
and follow the masters the masters are

1009
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:50,470
the guys who already have all the [\h__\h]

1010
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:53,170
that you want go and do that whether

1011
00:40:57,660 --> 00:40:55,090
it's money or relationships but most

1012
00:41:00,420 --> 00:40:57,670
people especially guys you want money so

1013
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:00,430
you know go make that happen and then

1014
00:41:04,050 --> 00:41:02,560
come around later and you can talk all

1015
00:41:07,890 --> 00:41:04,060
the rest of this stuff but don't confuse

1016
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:07,900
this you know the conglomeration of

1017
00:41:14,850 --> 00:41:11,680
these different ideas manifesting stuff

1018
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:14,860
is different than the spiritual path

1019
00:41:21,210 --> 00:41:17,440
well let me stop before I go into too

1020
00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:21,220
much of a tirade continued I lied a lot

1021
00:41:25,860 --> 00:41:22,990
on the table tell me what you think

1022
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,870
about that yeah you did Lyle element

1023
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:27,520
tables there's a lot of time back I

1024
00:41:33,050 --> 00:41:30,250
agree with you some of the New Age has

1025
00:41:36,420 --> 00:41:33,060
been sort like this fundamentalist

1026
00:41:38,970 --> 00:41:36,430
individualism where this ellipsis point

1027
00:41:41,130 --> 00:41:38,980
of view sort of has crept into the New

1028
00:41:44,130 --> 00:41:41,140
Age of a lot of I've written extensively

1029
00:41:48,330 --> 00:41:44,140
about some of the problems with New Age

1030
00:41:51,350 --> 00:41:48,340
thought and belief and practice but look

1031
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:51,360
New Age is a really big spectrum of

1032
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:54,850
practice it's not just chaos demon magic

1033
00:41:59,610 --> 00:41:57,370
it's not just the you know sort of the

1034
00:42:01,230 --> 00:41:59,620
incorporation of the Gnostic path into

1035
00:42:06,380 --> 00:42:01,240
contemporary sort of

1036
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:06,390
a contemporary approach there's also the

1037
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:08,290
appropriation of all these different

1038
00:42:12,510 --> 00:42:10,000
religions and the cross-pollination

1039
00:42:13,950 --> 00:42:12,520
of all these religions and spiritual

1040
00:42:16,410 --> 00:42:13,960
practices so the New Age is quite a

1041
00:42:18,359 --> 00:42:16,420
large area it's essentially hold on hold

1042
00:42:20,370 --> 00:42:18,369
on let me let me jump in there what I'm

1043
00:42:22,859 --> 00:42:20,380
saying I want to be really precise I'm

1044
00:42:25,980 --> 00:42:22,869
saying that I see no evidence personal

1045
00:42:28,890 --> 00:42:25,990
evidence that it's efficacious in the

1046
00:42:31,410 --> 00:42:28,900
way that is suggested and it's clear to

1047
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:31,420
me clear as anything that what's much

1048
00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:34,330
more effective for manifesting the kind

1049
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:36,520
of things that people say they want like

1050
00:42:40,620 --> 00:42:38,800
money it's much more effective just to

1051
00:42:42,450 --> 00:42:40,630
follow the people that have already

1052
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:42,460
figured that out

1053
00:42:48,270 --> 00:42:45,760
I don't know why people go down them

1054
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:48,280
Chaos magic route in order to get a new

1055
00:42:51,930 --> 00:42:49,690
apartment it just seems kind of

1056
00:42:54,030 --> 00:42:51,940
ridiculous to me or even a relationship

1057
00:42:56,340 --> 00:42:54,040
it's just what are you doing there's a

1058
00:42:58,530 --> 00:42:56,350
lot easier more effective way to do it

1059
00:43:00,420 --> 00:42:58,540
I'm not even sure that the cast magic

1060
00:43:02,310 --> 00:43:00,430
thing is effective but I know it's less

1061
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:02,320
effective than this other one because I

1062
00:43:06,359 --> 00:43:04,930
can see all the people you go to one of

1063
00:43:07,890 --> 00:43:06,369
those seminars and you see all these

1064
00:43:10,050 --> 00:43:07,900
people are a millionaire's that weren't

1065
00:43:14,090 --> 00:43:10,060
millionaires before they're manifesting

1066
00:43:17,490 --> 00:43:14,100
in a very specific way yeah okay great

1067
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:17,500
or certain extent I was gonna answer the

1068
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:18,640
question I just wanted to frame it

1069
00:43:22,050 --> 00:43:20,170
within the New Age stuff there's a lot

1070
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:22,060
of goodness that has come at new age and

1071
00:43:25,230 --> 00:43:23,680
there's not so much goodness which I've

1072
00:43:27,390 --> 00:43:25,240
tried to focus on and my writing was the

1073
00:43:29,070 --> 00:43:27,400
point I was trying to make now in terms

1074
00:43:32,460 --> 00:43:29,080
of magic it depends on your definition

1075
00:43:35,460 --> 00:43:32,470
Alex my definition is simply the

1076
00:43:38,220 --> 00:43:35,470
intention process so you putting in

1077
00:43:40,140 --> 00:43:38,230
intentions to create something that is

1078
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:40,150
magic because there is an energetic

1079
00:43:44,580 --> 00:43:42,880
exchange with our environment and I wait

1080
00:43:46,740 --> 00:43:44,590
let me finish let me finish before your

1081
00:43:48,450 --> 00:43:46,750
buddy is really important you can look

1082
00:43:50,940 --> 00:43:48,460
at our connection with the environment

1083
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:50,950
are simply ecological you can look at

1084
00:43:55,980 --> 00:43:53,290
for example bees and ants that act like

1085
00:43:57,260 --> 00:43:55,990
a colony humans are actually work they

1086
00:43:59,820 --> 00:43:57,270
work like that on that material

1087
00:44:01,710 --> 00:43:59,830
ecological level as well so there is an

1088
00:44:03,359 --> 00:44:01,720
innate in a connection with our

1089
00:44:05,250 --> 00:44:03,369
environment including on the planet

1090
00:44:06,990 --> 00:44:05,260
itself even if you just look it through

1091
00:44:09,060 --> 00:44:07,000
the material lens then you can look at

1092
00:44:11,070 --> 00:44:09,070
it through other top field staff to the

1093
00:44:12,859 --> 00:44:11,080
whatever informational exchange your

1094
00:44:14,490 --> 00:44:12,869
energetic exchanging the spirit

1095
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:14,500
experience what

1096
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:15,760
there's all these different layers of

1097
00:44:20,910 --> 00:44:18,910
interconnection right so that we can at

1098
00:44:23,340 --> 00:44:20,920
least establish that even just looking

1099
00:44:25,770 --> 00:44:23,350
at the entanglement with quantum physics

1100
00:44:27,930 --> 00:44:25,780
all right so what that means is that the

1101
00:44:29,850 --> 00:44:27,940
way that we design our minds the way

1102
00:44:32,070 --> 00:44:29,860
that we put intentions out into the

1103
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:32,080
world and intentions into our body and

1104
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:34,210
translate those intentions into

1105
00:44:38,130 --> 00:44:36,730
behaviors that is a magical process

1106
00:44:42,420 --> 00:44:38,140
because what you're doing is you're

1107
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:42,430
increasing the likelihood of a problem

1108
00:44:49,470 --> 00:44:45,760
what you want to come into manifestation

1109
00:44:51,660 --> 00:44:49,480
so you Mitchell buddy Gordon Wyatt he

1110
00:44:55,140 --> 00:44:51,670
describes it as increasing probability

1111
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:55,150
so his Chaos magic approach is

1112
00:44:59,070 --> 00:44:57,010
increasing probability to achieve these

1113
00:45:01,320 --> 00:44:59,080
particular goals now we can do that with

1114
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:01,330
this there's no specific way that we

1115
00:45:06,060 --> 00:45:04,090
have to literally you know try and

1116
00:45:07,590 --> 00:45:06,070
create our reality you can do it through

1117
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:07,600
whatever use those soft thought

1118
00:45:12,810 --> 00:45:10,330
mechanisms by actual particular

1119
00:45:14,460 --> 00:45:12,820
discipline practice and networking on

1120
00:45:17,010 --> 00:45:14,470
whatever it is there's many ways that we

1121
00:45:19,170 --> 00:45:17,020
can try and create a reality sure that

1122
00:45:21,180 --> 00:45:19,180
might be a little bit airy for somebody

1123
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:21,190
like you to think about Chaos magic

1124
00:45:26,010 --> 00:45:24,010
that's up to each individual you serving

1125
00:45:28,170 --> 00:45:26,020
what works to them and if it's important

1126
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:28,180
you know if it I know if it works no

1127
00:45:31,350 --> 00:45:30,160
you're not understanding my point it's

1128
00:45:33,630 --> 00:45:31,360
not that it's Airy

1129
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:33,640
I mean I come around to chaos magic now

1130
00:45:39,330 --> 00:45:36,490
and I understand it I just don't think

1131
00:45:41,310 --> 00:45:39,340
it's effective for anything that I want

1132
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:41,320
in my life and again I come back and

1133
00:45:45,150 --> 00:45:43,210
I'll push on this I don't think it's

1134
00:45:48,270 --> 00:45:45,160
it's I don't see any evidence that it's

1135
00:45:52,590 --> 00:45:48,280
effective in general in the way that

1136
00:45:54,750 --> 00:45:52,600
have you taught it no no I well yeah of

1137
00:45:58,380 --> 00:45:54,760
course I tried it in the sense that that

1138
00:45:58,980 --> 00:45:58,390
we're all Manette's what see I pick and

1139
00:46:01,170 --> 00:45:58,990
choose

1140
00:46:04,350 --> 00:46:01,180
I love Gordon's work and I really

1141
00:46:06,930 --> 00:46:04,360
respect him but I don't go down yeah I

1142
00:46:09,210 --> 00:46:06,940
only read with about 40 percent of

1143
00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:09,220
anybody know at the most so Gordon's

1144
00:46:13,590 --> 00:46:11,110
great he's 40 percent he's great with

1145
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:13,600
about 40 percent of myself Ali exactly

1146
00:46:19,770 --> 00:46:17,890
so so the reality the truth of what

1147
00:46:22,110 --> 00:46:19,780
Gordon points out is that hey we're all

1148
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:22,120
practicing magic right all the time

1149
00:46:27,210 --> 00:46:24,130
right so I'm talking and that's my point

1150
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:27,220
- well but there's kind of stretching

1151
00:46:30,450 --> 00:46:28,450
that point when you say

1152
00:46:34,860 --> 00:46:30,460
intentionality and all the rest of this

1153
00:46:37,790 --> 00:46:34,870
because I'm telling you Tony Robbins for

1154
00:46:42,180 --> 00:46:37,800
example he isn't teaching intentionality

1155
00:46:45,870 --> 00:46:42,190
he's teaching a very specific set of how

1156
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:45,880
to reorient your thinking in a

1157
00:46:51,180 --> 00:46:48,610
particular way in order to make you more

1158
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:51,190
effective if you go read Stephen Covey

1159
00:46:55,830 --> 00:46:53,650
who's now passed away who spiritually

1160
00:46:58,380 --> 00:46:55,840
was a Mormon and was kind of a strange

1161
00:47:00,360 --> 00:46:58,390
guy in all the ways that Mormons are but

1162
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:00,370
was brilliant in terms of time

1163
00:47:06,210 --> 00:47:03,250
management in terms of work management

1164
00:47:08,490 --> 00:47:06,220
these people were geniuses and there's

1165
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:08,500
many many I mean I read over 200

1166
00:47:13,950 --> 00:47:11,680
business self-help books go turn on you

1167
00:47:15,780 --> 00:47:13,960
know CNBC and watch Shark Tank which I

1168
00:47:17,130 --> 00:47:15,790
don't I can't even watch it I get so and

1169
00:47:19,620 --> 00:47:17,140
know I'd wanted to throw stuff at the TV

1170
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:19,630
but the essential nature these people

1171
00:47:25,830 --> 00:47:23,050
are multimillionaires for a reason the

1172
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:25,840
way they orient themselves to the world

1173
00:47:32,340 --> 00:47:28,890
to their problems to the problem of

1174
00:47:34,380 --> 00:47:32,350
amassing wealth is nothing to do with

1175
00:47:37,380 --> 00:47:34,390
caffeine chaos magic and they're

1176
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:37,390
infinitely more effective than the

1177
00:47:44,490 --> 00:47:40,330
anything I've heard about from the chaos

1178
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:44,500
magic community it's just it's it's not

1179
00:47:51,330 --> 00:47:48,160
even a reasonable conversation to have

1180
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:51,340
so if you want to think do chaos magic

1181
00:47:59,340 --> 00:47:53,170
and think that you're adjusting the odds

1182
00:48:02,550 --> 00:47:59,350
from 55 from 50 52 49 51 have at it

1183
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:02,560
but if you want to amass some wealth

1184
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:06,610
just go go read from the people who've

1185
00:48:11,790 --> 00:48:08,410
done it and are gonna tell you how to do

1186
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:11,800
it it's a much more effective way as I

1187
00:48:14,730 --> 00:48:13,090
said I think we've got iron wire

1188
00:48:16,830 --> 00:48:14,740
practicing this I think there our

1189
00:48:18,270 --> 00:48:16,840
intentions are at the basis of China

1190
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:18,280
Robin stop because it's a bad goal

1191
00:48:23,490 --> 00:48:21,970
sitting and I absolutely agree that we

1192
00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:23,500
don't know the material you don't know

1193
00:48:27,570 --> 00:48:25,510
the material you're been through it

1194
00:48:29,820 --> 00:48:27,580
right there's both to a certain extent I

1195
00:48:33,210 --> 00:48:29,830
have but not a large extent but surely

1196
00:48:35,730 --> 00:48:33,220
part of the primary sort of agenda is to

1197
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:35,740
set goals is that correct and setting

1198
00:48:46,799 --> 00:48:43,469
you're kind of playing very fast and

1199
00:48:48,419 --> 00:48:46,809
loose with you know I mean let's not

1200
00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:48,429
even get into the whole Tony Robbins

1201
00:48:51,569 --> 00:48:49,209
thing but he started with

1202
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:51,579
neuro-linguistic programming the Bandler

1203
00:48:58,380 --> 00:48:54,130
in Grindr who were psychologists who

1204
00:49:00,089 --> 00:48:58,390
were working with schizophrenic patients

1205
00:49:01,709 --> 00:49:00,099
and he was learning how to communicate

1206
00:49:03,769 --> 00:49:01,719
with them but he's incorporated a

1207
00:49:06,479 --> 00:49:03,779
million different things into it because

1208
00:49:08,969 --> 00:49:06,489
you know you know what what Tony Robbins

1209
00:49:13,529 --> 00:49:08,979
does which is brilliant and keeps it

1210
00:49:17,069 --> 00:49:13,539
fresh is he says very simply that what

1211
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:17,079
he does is when he wants to master

1212
00:49:23,729 --> 00:49:20,319
something he goes and finds someone

1213
00:49:27,209 --> 00:49:23,739
who's mastered it and he asks them what

1214
00:49:29,579 --> 00:49:27,219
they believe about their mastery of it

1215
00:49:32,489 --> 00:49:29,589
and that's the genius move there it's

1216
00:49:35,099 --> 00:49:32,499
not how do you do it because if you go

1217
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:35,109
ask somebody how do you ride a bike and

1218
00:49:40,499 --> 00:49:37,599
they're an expert bike rider they can't

1219
00:49:42,449 --> 00:49:40,509
tell you but if you go ask them hey how

1220
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:42,459
do you master that corner they're

1221
00:49:47,849 --> 00:49:44,319
reliable to tell you something about how

1222
00:49:51,329 --> 00:49:47,859
they believe how they feel what their uh

1223
00:49:54,269 --> 00:49:51,339
what their their inner workings are and

1224
00:49:58,049 --> 00:49:54,279
that's what you need to get at but you

1225
00:50:00,359 --> 00:49:58,059
know again I've read literally I was

1226
00:50:02,219 --> 00:50:00,369
reading everything I could get my hands

1227
00:50:03,779 --> 00:50:02,229
on in terms of you know how to back in

1228
00:50:05,249 --> 00:50:03,789
the day you know how to print a business

1229
00:50:07,529 --> 00:50:05,259
card what it should say on the front on

1230
00:50:08,969 --> 00:50:07,539
the back how to present it how to do so

1231
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:08,979
there's you know there's there's a lot

1232
00:50:16,789 --> 00:50:11,249
of stuff there it's not just

1233
00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:16,799
goal-setting no let me jump in look uh

1234
00:50:21,569 --> 00:50:19,689
when you move from a materialist

1235
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:21,579
separateness biological meaningless

1236
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:23,920
universe perspective endure some sort of

1237
00:50:27,689 --> 00:50:26,170
mind fool you know we're connected

1238
00:50:28,380 --> 00:50:27,699
perspective you need to look through

1239
00:50:30,059 --> 00:50:28,390
different lens

1240
00:50:31,799 --> 00:50:30,069
either the way that you interpret and

1241
00:50:34,439 --> 00:50:31,809
process your environment and experience

1242
00:50:36,779 --> 00:50:34,449
needs to be done in a way where the

1243
00:50:39,390 --> 00:50:36,789
fundamental belief is connection alright

1244
00:50:41,459 --> 00:50:39,400
and so that that's a shift from either

1245
00:50:43,049 --> 00:50:41,469
we in the ego it's about reprogramming

1246
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:43,059
the mind i do i will quickly get into

1247
00:50:46,979 --> 00:50:45,130
that reprogramming the subconscious you

1248
00:50:48,599 --> 00:50:46,989
know in a quick moment but the point

1249
00:50:50,819 --> 00:50:48,609
being is that how that manifests with

1250
00:50:52,529 --> 00:50:50,829
people how they choose to experience and

1251
00:50:53,669 --> 00:50:52,539
and have ritual and routine

1252
00:50:55,979 --> 00:50:53,679
and all the rest of it through that

1253
00:50:58,259 --> 00:50:55,989
so-called connective lens or any

1254
00:51:01,289 --> 00:50:58,269
connective lens is up to each individual

1255
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:01,299
so alright so maybe the some of the most

1256
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:03,609
wealthiest and successful people in the

1257
00:51:07,949 --> 00:51:06,640
world like that aren't necessarily you

1258
00:51:10,919 --> 00:51:07,959
know practicing something like chaos

1259
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:10,929
magic but they you know the the that

1260
00:51:14,849 --> 00:51:12,880
doesn't mean that they're in complete

1261
00:51:15,929 --> 00:51:14,859
coherence with a embalmer just I mean

1262
00:51:17,279 --> 00:51:15,939
you have a look at what happens when

1263
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:17,289
people get wealth and fame

1264
00:51:20,609 --> 00:51:18,640
it doesn't necessarily turn out that

1265
00:51:21,689 --> 00:51:20,619
great a lot of the time so just because

1266
00:51:23,549 --> 00:51:21,699
they've got that doesn't necessarily

1267
00:51:25,739 --> 00:51:23,559
mean they're you know a coherent

1268
00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:25,749
authentic pain someone like Tony Robbins

1269
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:29,049
absolutely might and I 100% agree so

1270
00:51:32,969 --> 00:51:30,640
there are practices that people choose

1271
00:51:35,009 --> 00:51:32,979
to do that's the individual choice it

1272
00:51:36,989 --> 00:51:35,019
might work to a certain extent maybe

1273
00:51:38,939 --> 00:51:36,999
does increased probability sometimes

1274
00:51:40,349 --> 00:51:38,949
maybe not other times it depends if it

1275
00:51:42,299 --> 00:51:40,359
actually lines to the needs and the

1276
00:51:45,029 --> 00:51:42,309
blueprint that actually talked about

1277
00:51:47,099 --> 00:51:45,039
before i 100% believe through my own

1278
00:51:49,469 --> 00:51:47,109
experience that my blueprint has been in

1279
00:51:51,630 --> 00:51:49,479
the primary driver of my manifest

1280
00:51:53,459 --> 00:51:51,640
potential growth potential so therefore

1281
00:51:55,409 --> 00:51:53,469
i want to launch that now what you're

1282
00:51:58,259 --> 00:51:55,419
talking about is the the rearrangement

1283
00:52:00,209 --> 00:51:58,269
in all NLP the rearrangement of the the

1284
00:52:02,489 --> 00:52:00,219
egoic mind and the subconscious mind of

1285
00:52:04,109 --> 00:52:02,499
100% agree with because what I've got

1286
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:04,119
two appointment I was in my you know

1287
00:52:08,370 --> 00:52:06,249
sort of early adulthood grows like okay

1288
00:52:11,159 --> 00:52:08,380
I've got this egoic perspective of

1289
00:52:14,459 --> 00:52:11,169
connection of we not just I but we as

1290
00:52:16,289 --> 00:52:14,469
well and and but I'm really depressed

1291
00:52:18,899 --> 00:52:16,299
and I've got all this subconscious

1292
00:52:20,699 --> 00:52:18,909
trauma and all this stuff if it's poor

1293
00:52:23,009 --> 00:52:20,709
programming that is getting in the way

1294
00:52:25,529 --> 00:52:23,019
of me enjoying my life to you know to

1295
00:52:27,809 --> 00:52:25,539
the little I could and not only that

1296
00:52:29,909 --> 00:52:27,819
it's undermining what I'm trying to

1297
00:52:32,729 --> 00:52:29,919
achieve with my ego at conscious free

1298
00:52:34,229 --> 00:52:32,739
world mind and so what I had to do is go

1299
00:52:36,179 --> 00:52:34,239
through a lot of meditation a lot of

1300
00:52:38,399 --> 00:52:36,189
deep meditation a lot of more fulness in

1301
00:52:40,499 --> 00:52:38,409
general in life a lot of facing this

1302
00:52:42,149 --> 00:52:40,509
shadow facing thyself really

1303
00:52:44,689 --> 00:52:42,159
understanding my contradictions and

1304
00:52:47,819 --> 00:52:44,699
hypocrisy and trying to rearrange

1305
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:47,829
reprogram redesign my subconscious which

1306
00:52:51,689 --> 00:52:49,359
our subconscious layer is only

1307
00:52:53,429 --> 00:52:51,699
subconscious in each particular moment

1308
00:52:56,339 --> 00:52:53,439
like for example if I use the word now

1309
00:52:58,439 --> 00:52:56,349
right now that is my subconscious coming

1310
00:52:59,729 --> 00:52:58,449
into life so that it's always in the

1311
00:53:02,009 --> 00:52:59,739
show the subconscious but it's not

1312
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:02,019
always as sorry it's sometimes in the

1313
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:03,729
show but it's not always in the shadow

1314
00:53:06,510 --> 00:53:06,249
so how you actually learn to understand

1315
00:53:08,670 --> 00:53:06,520
what

1316
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:08,680
subconscious is saying is how it

1317
00:53:12,450 --> 00:53:10,480
manifests in your actual thoughts the

1318
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:12,460
actual conscious experience and then

1319
00:53:17,370 --> 00:53:15,970
repeating and then sort of in response

1320
00:53:19,050 --> 00:53:17,380
to that if it's not what's something

1321
00:53:21,570 --> 00:53:19,060
that you actually want for example if

1322
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:21,580
you're you know being driven by trauma a

1323
00:53:25,650 --> 00:53:23,410
lot of your life and it causes anger and

1324
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:25,660
sadness and whatnot whatever so you

1325
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:27,490
might what you want to do is actually

1326
00:53:31,830 --> 00:53:29,290
recognize that within yourself and then

1327
00:53:34,890 --> 00:53:31,840
go back into the subconscious and resign

1328
00:53:36,420 --> 00:53:34,900
and in another way which is more

1329
00:53:38,490 --> 00:53:36,430
conducive to health and happiness and

1330
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:38,500
well-being and all the rest so it's been

1331
00:53:42,060 --> 00:53:40,240
a huge amount of time doing that trying

1332
00:53:44,250 --> 00:53:42,070
to get more egoic mind and my

1333
00:53:46,410 --> 00:53:44,260
subconscious mind into some sort of

1334
00:53:47,070 --> 00:53:46,420
alignment and that alignment wasn't just

1335
00:53:48,990 --> 00:53:47,080
with each other

1336
00:53:50,430 --> 00:53:49,000
but also with disk or blueprint stuff

1337
00:53:52,290 --> 00:53:50,440
all this destin stuff whatever you want

1338
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:52,300
to call it I know it sounds a bit

1339
00:54:00,180 --> 00:53:57,490
new-age but it's been absolutely without

1340
00:54:02,310 --> 00:54:00,190
a doubt a part of my experiences very

1341
00:54:04,650 --> 00:54:02,320
very clear to me earlier on that a lot

1342
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:04,660
of this experiences having wasn't being

1343
00:54:10,020 --> 00:54:07,450
driven by myself so what I try to do is

1344
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:10,030
try to align that egoic and subconscious

1345
00:54:14,070 --> 00:54:11,770
mind to that sort of blueprint

1346
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:14,080
alright so sure there's there's really

1347
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:15,850
good measures and ways in which we can

1348
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:20,530
manifest reality that some people do it

1349
00:54:25,410 --> 00:54:23,200
in different ways to others know what is

1350
00:54:27,330 --> 00:54:25,420
it what is a lot guys as well good and

1351
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:27,340
Walter have achievement in life Alex

1352
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:29,050
this is another sort of lesson I learned

1353
00:54:34,250 --> 00:54:31,210
a long time ago is that yeah cool get a

1354
00:54:37,110 --> 00:54:34,260
good job have a good family you know

1355
00:54:38,940 --> 00:54:37,120
achieve whatever goals be the topic game

1356
00:54:40,530 --> 00:54:38,950
whatever field discipline you may be in

1357
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:40,540
their good achievements they've got

1358
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:43,090
successes but that's to me that wasn't

1359
00:54:48,090 --> 00:54:45,850
real success real success to me was

1360
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:48,100
coming into coherence with myself so in

1361
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:49,690
terms of my internal layers of health

1362
00:54:53,970 --> 00:54:51,520
actually understanding myself actually

1363
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:53,980
being real and raw to myself and and

1364
00:54:59,130 --> 00:54:56,410
coming to some sort of equilibrium in my

1365
00:55:00,570 --> 00:54:59,140
moment so dealing with past traumas and

1366
00:55:03,180 --> 00:55:00,580
all the [\h__\h] from the past and sort

1367
00:55:06,690 --> 00:55:03,190
of sorting all that out in some sort of

1368
00:55:08,010 --> 00:55:06,700
ordered way so it's going to be a good

1369
00:55:10,770 --> 00:55:08,020
experience for me it's actually going to

1370
00:55:12,660 --> 00:55:10,780
help its design the way that actually

1371
00:55:18,490 --> 00:55:12,670
manifests exactly what I sort of would

1372
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:18,500
prefer and and essentially being

1373
00:55:24,070 --> 00:55:20,930
yeah come it's actually being a healthy

1374
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:24,080
and happy hour person and so coming to

1375
00:55:27,580 --> 00:55:25,850
the equilibrium in the moment and then

1376
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:27,590
dealing with each moment as it comes

1377
00:55:32,650 --> 00:55:29,570
through in again that healthy and happy

1378
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:32,660
framework filled just like last time

1379
00:55:39,820 --> 00:55:35,930
we've talked for an hour and we haven't

1380
00:55:42,670 --> 00:55:39,830
mentioned your book so III and I do want

1381
00:55:43,900 --> 00:55:42,680
to because like I told you III enjoyed

1382
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:43,910
the book I thought it was really kind of

1383
00:55:50,020 --> 00:55:47,450
cool a page-turner it drew me in like

1384
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:50,030
you like the author of this book who

1385
00:55:55,420 --> 00:55:52,400
admits he's not much into novels or

1386
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:55,430
sci-fi but wrote a sci-fi novel and a

1387
00:56:00,760 --> 00:55:58,130
damn good one you know as we're moving

1388
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:00,770
into wrapping this thing up tell people

1389
00:56:05,260 --> 00:56:02,960
about this book and I certainly hope

1390
00:56:08,290 --> 00:56:05,270
they pick it up I went and bought a copy

1391
00:56:10,810 --> 00:56:08,300
even though you sent me a copy because I

1392
00:56:13,090 --> 00:56:10,820
think we need to support this kind of

1393
00:56:15,460 --> 00:56:13,100
work it's a great book and it's pretty

1394
00:56:18,370 --> 00:56:15,470
cool so tell people about what you tried

1395
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:18,380
to do here well I appreciate that I like

1396
00:56:22,420 --> 00:56:20,720
some really glad you enjoyed it it's as

1397
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:22,430
you mentioned I'm not really into novels

1398
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:25,130
or sci-fi or is it more of a thriller

1399
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:27,530
and a fantasy it's a nonfiction fiction

1400
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:29,570
on many levels as it's very hard to

1401
00:56:34,210 --> 00:56:31,370
label what this actual book is I've

1402
00:56:36,010 --> 00:56:34,220
tried to basically do a snapshot of what

1403
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:36,020
it means to be human in Star the 21st

1404
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:38,000
century so it's almost Britain is a

1405
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:42,410
history book as in how sort of confusing

1406
00:56:46,540 --> 00:56:44,240
our current moment is and also what the

1407
00:56:48,790 --> 00:56:46,550
general dialog is and the questions is

1408
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:48,800
true seeking all that sort of stuff but

1409
00:56:53,530 --> 00:56:51,170
I've just done having a fun and engaging

1410
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:53,540
way war to the best of my ability that's

1411
00:57:00,340 --> 00:56:56,960
just a the the main character Gary he

1412
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:00,350
goes into a virtual reality game at this

1413
00:57:06,250 --> 00:57:04,160
in the 2020 and virtual reality has been

1414
00:57:08,770 --> 00:57:06,260
evolved in terms of you step into

1415
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:08,780
something like a float tank and there's

1416
00:57:13,630 --> 00:57:11,570
a frequency resonator so it's like high

1417
00:57:15,460 --> 00:57:13,640
frequency sound and magnetics which

1418
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:15,470
basically attuned the consciousness of

1419
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:19,040
the player to the software don't tell

1420
00:57:24,850 --> 00:57:22,850
them too much they need that's in the

1421
00:57:26,770 --> 00:57:24,860
first chapter so it's just that this is

1422
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:26,780
the synopsis anyway so he gets lost in

1423
00:57:31,420 --> 00:57:29,210
this virtual reality game so questions

1424
00:57:33,130 --> 00:57:31,430
about the simulation theory about

1425
00:57:35,859 --> 00:57:33,140
that the nature of reality in general

1426
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:35,869
work this intelligent intelligence

1427
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:37,760
interaction that we have there's always

1428
00:57:41,530 --> 00:57:39,770
other there's always different cultural

1429
00:57:44,910 --> 00:57:41,540
lenses and individual lenses that people

1430
00:57:46,930 --> 00:57:44,920
experience these allegedly independent

1431
00:57:49,540 --> 00:57:46,940
intelligences such as spirits angels

1432
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:49,550
demons aliens multi-dimensional beings

1433
00:57:53,140 --> 00:57:51,170
whatever has all these ways of

1434
00:57:54,940 --> 00:57:53,150
experiencing something some sort of

1435
00:57:56,650 --> 00:57:54,950
metaphysical or non-physical

1436
00:57:59,170 --> 00:57:56,660
intelligence outside of us all the

1437
00:58:02,349 --> 00:57:59,180
essence of life essentially or their

1438
00:58:04,930 --> 00:58:02,359
other the essences of life like plants

1439
00:58:07,260 --> 00:58:04,940
and animals and and and beyond even into

1440
00:58:11,740 --> 00:58:07,270
this this extra dimensional realm and so

1441
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:11,750
I discuss all that and and try and make

1442
00:58:17,620 --> 00:58:15,170
a try and design in a way that talks

1443
00:58:19,650 --> 00:58:17,630
about the whole package of what you

1444
00:58:22,210 --> 00:58:19,660
essentially do an or podcast which is

1445
00:58:23,410 --> 00:58:22,220
cautious what's going on in the

1446
00:58:25,630 --> 00:58:23,420
experience of cautiousness

1447
00:58:28,059 --> 00:58:25,640
what's going on with spirituality what's

1448
00:58:29,530 --> 00:58:28,069
going on in the conspiratorial world in

1449
00:58:31,089 --> 00:58:29,540
terms of how the system actually

1450
00:58:33,790 --> 00:58:31,099
operates and how we can potentially

1451
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:33,800
design it to be more aligned to the

1452
00:58:41,010 --> 00:58:36,770
Justice of our future and and actually

1453
00:58:43,150 --> 00:58:41,020
have a bit of our honor ability and and

1454
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:43,160
intelligence for how we actually move

1455
00:58:48,490 --> 00:58:46,250
forward yeah but it's also just a story

1456
00:58:52,359 --> 00:58:48,500
of love lust and life so lots of

1457
00:58:54,190 --> 00:58:52,369
swearing and lots of cheeky experiences

1458
00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:54,200
and as you mentioned it is a bit of a

1459
00:58:59,530 --> 00:58:56,480
page-turner because I try to pack as

1460
00:59:01,329 --> 00:58:59,540
much information so I could into it and

1461
00:59:02,650 --> 00:59:01,339
keep people really engaged so if you

1462
00:59:02,890 --> 00:59:02,660
interested yeah you can go check that

1463
00:59:07,359 --> 00:59:02,900
out

1464
00:59:08,829 --> 00:59:07,369
don't know where it came from I just sat

1465
00:59:11,890 --> 00:59:08,839
down and started writing it wasn't a

1466
00:59:14,500 --> 00:59:11,900
plan got it out in three weeks and then

1467
00:59:17,170 --> 00:59:14,510
just did some reading over a couple of

1468
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:17,180
months self-published I'm definitely

1469
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:20,000
looking at remarketing it of design and

1470
00:59:24,460 --> 00:59:22,250
you've cover for that I want to put on

1471
00:59:26,829 --> 00:59:24,470
it so I'm open to talking to publishers

1472
00:59:30,490 --> 00:59:26,839
and agents about that as well but yeah

1473
00:59:32,980 --> 00:59:30,500
really proud I guess that I was able to

1474
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:32,990
put such a you know a cheeky little

1475
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:34,970
piece together and share that with the

1476
00:59:39,130 --> 00:59:37,280
world yeah you should be proud you know

1477
00:59:39,700 --> 00:59:39,140
and as we were talking about at the

1478
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:39,710
beginning

1479
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:42,480
you ought to fill people in on you

1480
00:59:46,790 --> 00:59:45,119
plans because you've done some

1481
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:46,800
podcasting you've done some pretty

1482
00:59:51,500 --> 00:59:49,410
impressive interviews like we said you

1483
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:51,510
know you did Dean Radin you did Rachelle

1484
01:00:00,170 --> 00:59:56,930
Rick you did Gordon white you did a Greg

1485
01:00:01,460 --> 01:00:00,180
all right Greg cutlet Gregg Braden and

1486
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:01,470
Greg Carr would you did a bunch of other

1487
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:02,880
people but you're kind of heading in a

1488
01:00:08,359 --> 01:00:05,970
different direction now with your

1489
01:00:11,300 --> 01:00:08,369
partner so tell us what you have coming

1490
01:00:11,780 --> 01:00:11,310
up where people are gonna write your

1491
01:00:15,260 --> 01:00:11,790
work

1492
01:00:17,930 --> 01:00:15,270
we have repackaging the podcast is now

1493
01:00:21,140 --> 01:00:17,940
gonna be called mad magic I've described

1494
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:21,150
our reality for many years as a magical

1495
01:00:25,550 --> 01:00:23,760
mad experience so this duality this

1496
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:25,560
shadow and the light the light the dark

1497
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:28,050
all the rest of it so we're just going

1498
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:30,330
to be talking about all the good stuff

1499
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:33,210
about what it means to be a human

1500
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:35,609
experiencing this mystery we're gonna be

1501
01:00:41,150 --> 01:00:38,130
focusing a lot on so feeling so in terms

1502
01:00:43,370 --> 01:00:41,160
of what's what's going on in

1503
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:43,380
relationship itself as well as the

1504
01:00:47,870 --> 01:00:44,880
people around us there's so much anxiety

1505
01:00:50,060 --> 01:00:47,880
and depression the existential crisis is

1506
01:00:52,070 --> 01:00:50,070
everywhere Alex and so we want to help

1507
01:00:53,660 --> 01:00:52,080
people with that sort of stuff sort of

1508
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:53,670
face that existential crisis in a

1509
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:55,650
healthy way and actually you know build

1510
01:01:01,130 --> 01:00:57,210
a little bit of meaning and purpose in

1511
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:01,140
their life my partner hasn't been active

1512
01:01:04,430 --> 01:01:02,850
yet we didn't this sort of space in this

1513
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:04,440
independent media space but she's the

1514
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:07,530
best conversation I get in my life so I

1515
01:01:12,170 --> 01:01:09,119
can't wait to share that with others

1516
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:12,180
she's a wise old soul she she gets a lot

1517
01:01:16,130 --> 01:01:14,640
more I've learned a lot from her not

1518
01:01:18,620 --> 01:01:16,140
just in the love that I've been able to

1519
01:01:20,750 --> 01:01:18,630
get through you know knowing her for 25

1520
01:01:22,670 --> 01:01:20,760
years as I mentioned earlier we were

1521
01:01:24,590 --> 01:01:22,680
together for a little while then we

1522
01:01:26,599 --> 01:01:24,600
broke up for 10 years and and we've been

1523
01:01:28,730 --> 01:01:26,609
back together for five years and we've

1524
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:28,740
built an amazing communication with each

1525
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:30,090
other one of the most advanced

1526
01:01:34,910 --> 01:01:31,890
communications between two people of our

1527
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:34,920
I've ever experienced or seeing so a

1528
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:36,570
love love to be able to share that we've

1529
01:01:41,420 --> 01:01:38,490
got a really healthy coherent

1530
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:41,430
relationship where we're not codependent

1531
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:45,359
but we certainly share where we are with

1532
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:47,760
each other without going into you know

1533
01:01:51,740 --> 01:01:49,770
we have our own secrets so to speak who

1534
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:51,750
doesn't you know you don't need to share

1535
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:53,970
everything with everybody but we are

1536
01:01:56,090 --> 01:01:55,650
very real and more with each other we

1537
01:01:57,620 --> 01:01:56,100
understand

1538
01:01:59,630 --> 01:01:57,630
chello sir that'll come out through the

1539
01:02:02,990 --> 01:01:59,640
podcast so if anybody's interested in

1540
01:02:07,370 --> 01:02:03,000
sort of what's going on in terms of just

1541
01:02:09,620 --> 01:02:07,380
the general discussion of of yeah just

1542
01:02:11,450 --> 01:02:09,630
the whole spirituality personal

1543
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:11,460
development and systemic sort of

1544
01:02:16,610 --> 01:02:14,130
analysis and not only that I will still

1545
01:02:19,010 --> 01:02:16,620
continue to do interviews as well I'm

1546
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:19,020
gonna have your good self on the podcast

1547
01:02:22,190 --> 01:02:20,370
I look forward to that I'm gonna give

1548
01:02:25,580 --> 01:02:22,200
you a bit of a skeptic I approach my

1549
01:02:28,430 --> 01:02:25,590
self and see if I hold my own and a

1550
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:28,440
concept that that yeah I really look

1551
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:30,210
forward to continuing interviewing some

1552
01:02:35,540 --> 01:02:33,570
really genuine hearted men and women

1553
01:02:37,460 --> 01:02:35,550
around a well world who who actually

1554
01:02:39,590 --> 01:02:37,470
want to give back and try and create

1555
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:39,600
something a little bit more aligned to

1556
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:41,970
justice for our future a big part of my

1557
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:44,730
original podcasts which is called a

1558
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:47,730
Brazilian society was to focus on not

1559
01:02:51,740 --> 01:02:50,250
diss identifying the issues Alex but

1560
01:02:53,570 --> 01:02:51,750
also what are some of the solutions

1561
01:02:55,460 --> 01:02:53,580
that's going on as well what are some of

1562
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:55,470
these grassroots movements are they're

1563
01:03:00,410 --> 01:02:57,930
actually creating that more of that

1564
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:00,420
honor ability for our world so Geoff

1565
01:03:04,970 --> 01:03:02,130
Lawton is a great example he's one of

1566
01:03:07,490 --> 01:03:04,980
the the icons of permaculture that

1567
01:03:09,380 --> 01:03:07,500
system we've discussed at length there

1568
01:03:11,180 --> 01:03:09,390
was a Lenin all where God's talking

1569
01:03:13,250 --> 01:03:11,190
about localizing economies and

1570
01:03:15,110 --> 01:03:13,260
decentralization if we ever want to sort

1571
01:03:16,670 --> 01:03:15,120
of move into a you know a better

1572
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:16,680
direction we need to sort of have a

1573
01:03:20,900 --> 01:03:18,240
decentralized approach to this

1574
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:20,910
increasing centralized totalitarian

1575
01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:23,010
tyranny that's manifesting on this

1576
01:03:29,150 --> 01:03:26,270
global scale and yeah it's a bit of a a

1577
01:03:31,490 --> 01:03:29,160
crazy situation that's going on there so

1578
01:03:33,470 --> 01:03:31,500
yeah decentralization and honoring

1579
01:03:35,420 --> 01:03:33,480
sovereignty in the self in the community

1580
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:35,430
is a great way of doing so through these

1581
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:37,770
particular models such as localizing

1582
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:40,530
economies and and permaculture and

1583
01:03:45,020 --> 01:03:42,170
biodynamics and all that sort of stuff

1584
01:03:47,570 --> 01:03:45,030
yes I I'm going to continue on that sort

1585
01:03:48,980 --> 01:03:47,580
of path too but make it more of a

1586
01:03:50,900 --> 01:03:48,990
personal discussion with people and

1587
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:50,910
hopefully help people to step in to

1588
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:53,010
their authenticity better because

1589
01:03:58,760 --> 01:03:56,250
there's a huge need for a once again

1590
01:04:02,930 --> 01:03:58,770
there's so much suffering in our world

1591
01:04:07,100 --> 01:04:02,940
Alex it's out of sync it's imbalance

1592
01:04:09,359 --> 01:04:07,110
sure natural part of life is suffer is

1593
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:09,369
to have this deception and this

1594
01:04:12,569 --> 01:04:11,170
conflict in the external conflict and

1595
01:04:15,059 --> 01:04:12,579
all that sort of stuff but it's

1596
01:04:17,099 --> 01:04:15,069
definitely been whacked right out of

1597
01:04:19,799 --> 01:04:17,109
balance by a pretty toxic system that we

1598
01:04:21,420 --> 01:04:19,809
live in and and people are really

1599
01:04:23,489 --> 01:04:21,430
struggling to figure out to create a

1600
01:04:25,739 --> 01:04:23,499
little bit of order in themselves and

1601
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:25,749
Ana rearrange their minds and more

1602
01:04:29,489 --> 01:04:27,609
healthy happy ways so I hope you know

1603
01:04:32,099 --> 01:04:29,499
but hold on hold on cuz I mean you got

1604
01:04:33,959 --> 01:04:32,109
fifty thousand issues there on the table

1605
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:33,969
but I'll just pick on one that kind of

1606
01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:36,160
wraps a couple of them together and we

1607
01:04:41,009 --> 01:04:37,839
talked a little bit about this last time

1608
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:41,019
but I do get a little bit frustrated

1609
01:04:46,759 --> 01:04:44,410
when I hear you guys whatever that means

1610
01:04:50,099 --> 01:04:46,769
when I hear you guys talk and it's like

1611
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:50,109
hold on you want to do permaculture

1612
01:04:56,130 --> 01:04:53,410
that's awesome fantastic have at have

1613
01:04:57,509 --> 01:04:56,140
fun with it whatever that means but if

1614
01:05:01,069 --> 01:04:57,519
you want to deal with environmental

1615
01:05:04,589 --> 01:05:01,079
issues there's only one that's on a

1616
01:05:08,190 --> 01:05:04,599
global scale that has global impact and

1617
01:05:10,529 --> 01:05:08,200
looking into that one brings us to the

1618
01:05:12,479 --> 01:05:10,539
heart of the economic problems as well

1619
01:05:14,579 --> 01:05:12,489
because what's the one issue of course

1620
01:05:16,049 --> 01:05:14,589
it's climate change and as you and I

1621
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:16,059
talked about one doesn't have to look

1622
01:05:22,049 --> 01:05:19,210
very far to see just the the fakery of

1623
01:05:25,499 --> 01:05:22,059
it that the scientific fakery the

1624
01:05:31,549 --> 01:05:25,509
conspiratorial fakery of it not that I

1625
01:05:34,859 --> 01:05:31,559
don't acknowledge that they're man-made

1626
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:34,869
toxins released into the atmosphere have

1627
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:37,690
an effect on climate but just look at it

1628
01:05:43,829 --> 01:05:41,049
it's just built on [\h__\h] it's not

1629
01:05:46,170 --> 01:05:43,839
real they don't even factor the Sun into

1630
01:05:49,049 --> 01:05:46,180
their calculations you and I know this

1631
01:05:51,569 --> 01:05:49,059
and agree that the climate change thing

1632
01:05:54,089 --> 01:05:51,579
is is [\h__\h] but the people you're

1633
01:05:55,979 --> 01:05:54,099
talking about when you bring it up they

1634
01:05:58,079 --> 01:05:55,989
they're willing to look past that but

1635
01:05:59,789 --> 01:05:58,089
they're going to yeah but we got to

1636
01:06:01,469 --> 01:05:59,799
protect our environment we've got to do

1637
01:06:03,870 --> 01:06:01,479
this they've bought into the [\h__\h]

1638
01:06:06,599 --> 01:06:03,880
until we can sort these things apart

1639
01:06:08,749 --> 01:06:06,609
which we never can because it's you want

1640
01:06:11,759 --> 01:06:08,759
to talk about the conspiracy and the

1641
01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:11,769
conspiratorial nature of the culture

1642
01:06:15,809 --> 01:06:14,079
shapers I mean they're running a game on

1643
01:06:18,420 --> 01:06:15,819
us and what's at the front of that game

1644
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:18,430
is climate change and that also ties

1645
01:06:23,099 --> 01:06:21,609
into the economic thing I mean you think

1646
01:06:26,249 --> 01:06:23,109
the economic divide

1647
01:06:30,269 --> 01:06:26,259
between the rich and the poor is bad now

1648
01:06:33,390 --> 01:06:30,279
wait until they get that carbon tax and

1649
01:06:35,489 --> 01:06:33,400
that carbon credit thing tied to every

1650
01:06:38,690 --> 01:06:35,499
part of your life where their metering

1651
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:38,700
your every aspect of your existence and

1652
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:41,680
factoring it into your carbon footprint

1653
01:06:46,979 --> 01:06:44,799
and they're then determining I mean we

1654
01:06:49,620 --> 01:06:46,989
don't have to extrapolate too far and

1655
01:06:51,569 --> 01:06:49,630
get too conspiratorial to know that that

1656
01:06:55,529 --> 01:06:51,579
is the direction that they're heading is

1657
01:06:59,279 --> 01:06:55,539
ever more control ever more lock down

1658
01:07:02,130 --> 01:06:59,289
ever more bureaucratic stuff so you you

1659
01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:02,140
can't mash all these things together

1660
01:07:07,140 --> 01:07:04,569
because ultimately they come down to

1661
01:07:09,749 --> 01:07:07,150
policy decisions they come down to

1662
01:07:12,420 --> 01:07:09,759
political decisions if you want to grow

1663
01:07:15,509 --> 01:07:12,430
your garden awesome love your garden

1664
01:07:17,999 --> 01:07:15,519
love your food love the rest of it but

1665
01:07:21,539 --> 01:07:18,009
don't put it on par with some kind of

1666
01:07:25,529 --> 01:07:21,549
solution for some kind of global crisis

1667
01:07:28,199 --> 01:07:25,539
it just it's crazy to think that that

1668
01:07:31,319 --> 01:07:28,209
stacks up against what these guys are

1669
01:07:33,299 --> 01:07:31,329
trying to pull off with Paris climate

1670
01:07:36,089 --> 01:07:33,309
summit climate change on a worldwide

1671
01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:36,099
basis it's it's sticks and stones

1672
01:07:41,339 --> 01:07:39,849
against m16s it just doesn't take a 47s

1673
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:41,349
it's just not real

1674
01:07:45,630 --> 01:07:43,690
yeah well fair enough there's many

1675
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:45,640
people who say look don't vote that's

1676
01:07:49,289 --> 01:07:47,890
good way to solve issues other people

1677
01:07:52,170 --> 01:07:49,299
say do vote that's the way I solve

1678
01:07:53,549 --> 01:07:52,180
issues director Mikasa joined credit

1679
01:07:55,709 --> 01:07:53,559
from a policy stance I think we should

1680
01:07:57,630 --> 01:07:55,719
all to be taking all approaches to move

1681
01:07:59,939 --> 01:07:57,640
forward in a more general direction

1682
01:08:01,140 --> 01:07:59,949
that's going to be good for us both on

1683
01:08:03,509 --> 01:08:01,150
an image of individual and collective

1684
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:03,519
level but you said many things first the

1685
01:08:08,579 --> 01:08:05,920
single biggest issue isn't climate

1686
01:08:10,709 --> 01:08:08,589
change climate change is very real yes

1687
01:08:12,479 --> 01:08:10,719
the Sun is literally impacts our climate

1688
01:08:13,769 --> 01:08:12,489
the global warming propaganda I'm

1689
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:13,779
assuming that's what you're sort of

1690
01:08:16,859 --> 01:08:15,130
talking about but global warming was

1691
01:08:20,490 --> 01:08:16,869
very real as well because it was

1692
01:08:22,169 --> 01:08:20,500
connected to the Sun cycle and most

1693
01:08:23,820 --> 01:08:22,179
certainly all right the pollution and

1694
01:08:26,669 --> 01:08:23,830
whatnot is certainly having an impact on

1695
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:26,679
our planet co2 and its relation to

1696
01:08:30,570 --> 01:08:28,330
temperature well there's a lot of debate

1697
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:30,580
around that obviously and it seems that

1698
01:08:34,930 --> 01:08:33,250
co2 comes after the temperature changes

1699
01:08:36,910 --> 01:08:34,940
but moving

1700
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:36,920
from that we are literally the single

1701
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:39,410
best issue Alex isn't that as we are

1702
01:08:45,189 --> 01:08:41,449
literally decimating in natural systems

1703
01:08:48,459 --> 01:08:45,199
life by biodiversity but the single

1704
01:08:50,740 --> 01:08:48,469
biggest issue - the single biggest issue

1705
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:50,750
to whom I agree with you we're totally

1706
01:08:55,990 --> 01:08:52,880
in agreement but the single biggest

1707
01:08:58,749 --> 01:08:56,000
issue to whom that's why I say it does

1708
01:09:00,700 --> 01:08:58,759
come down to policy it does come so you

1709
01:09:02,740 --> 01:09:00,710
can say we should get out and we should

1710
01:09:04,420 --> 01:09:02,750
March and we should vote but you got to

1711
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:04,430
be realistic I mean you live in

1712
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:06,799
Australia I live in United States

1713
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:08,330
obviously but I live in California

1714
01:09:12,910 --> 01:09:10,489
in California my vote doesn't count

1715
01:09:14,650 --> 01:09:12,920
California is a democratic state it's

1716
01:09:16,209 --> 01:09:14,660
always gonna be democratic largely

1717
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:16,219
leaning it's always going to vote on

1718
01:09:21,789 --> 01:09:18,890
those policies it just doesn't matter

1719
01:09:24,340 --> 01:09:21,799
what I think one of the things that are

1720
01:09:27,579 --> 01:09:24,350
focused on and of interviewed Robert

1721
01:09:30,010 --> 01:09:27,589
David Steele and an amazing man an

1722
01:09:31,930 --> 01:09:30,020
ex-cia agent has really put together an

1723
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:31,940
open-source package in terms of how we

1724
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:33,890
revolutionize our system including

1725
01:09:38,740 --> 01:09:37,250
electoral reform if Trump was genuine at

1726
01:09:40,809 --> 01:09:38,750
all he we should hire him straight up

1727
01:09:42,519 --> 01:09:40,819
because he's an absolute legend on many

1728
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:42,529
levels doesn't have it all right but I

1729
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:44,210
certainly believe there are some sort of

1730
01:09:50,860 --> 01:09:46,250
proaches that we can take now of course

1731
01:09:53,950 --> 01:09:50,870
we're forever Alex we have cooperated

1732
01:09:56,350 --> 01:09:53,960
together to create change as usually on

1733
01:09:58,720 --> 01:09:56,360
a local level now we've got a challenge

1734
01:10:00,280 --> 01:09:58,730
on a planetary level the human tribe

1735
01:10:01,750 --> 01:10:00,290
this we're finally interconnected

1736
01:10:04,420 --> 01:10:01,760
through this instantaneous sharing

1737
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:04,430
information but this cross-fertilization

1738
01:10:09,010 --> 01:10:07,250
of of culture is building this this new

1739
01:10:10,180 --> 01:10:09,020
wave which you know as we spoke about

1740
01:10:12,430 --> 01:10:10,190
last time you have to agree with

1741
01:10:15,490 --> 01:10:12,440
everything but this is where we're sort

1742
01:10:17,050 --> 01:10:15,500
of going are we going to collectively I

1743
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:17,060
don't know how it's going to be done but

1744
01:10:22,330 --> 01:10:20,090
if we're going to to move into a better

1745
01:10:23,500 --> 01:10:22,340
direction we need to cooperate and we

1746
01:10:25,450 --> 01:10:23,510
certainly need to think about how we

1747
01:10:26,620 --> 01:10:25,460
readjust that system there's all these

1748
01:10:28,180 --> 01:10:26,630
different people doing all these

1749
01:10:29,830 --> 01:10:28,190
different things I think we're sort of

1750
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:29,840
moving in a general direction which is

1751
01:10:34,330 --> 01:10:32,449
more transparency more openness in terms

1752
01:10:36,750 --> 01:10:34,340
of the information that the truth is

1753
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:36,760
coming to light but obviously it's very

1754
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:38,930
controlled the truth is control we put

1755
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:41,210
in our echo chambers there's a divide

1756
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:42,650
and conquer strategy on so many

1757
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:44,330
different levels that are impacting us

1758
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:46,610
including in the independent media it

1759
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:48,810
comes becomes very confusing

1760
01:10:52,430 --> 01:10:50,010
but that doesn't mean we don't have to

1761
01:10:54,170 --> 01:10:52,440
do anything Alex I think we should get

1762
01:10:55,790 --> 01:10:54,180
the service itself and give the service

1763
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:55,800
to the outside world and whatever ways

1764
01:11:00,350 --> 01:10:57,570
relevant to us I don't think there's one

1765
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:00,360
easy answer to it we need to do this

1766
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:02,250
this and this I think what we should all

1767
01:11:08,090 --> 01:11:04,410
be doing especially in the independent

1768
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:08,100
media is solidifying our connection our

1769
01:11:12,410 --> 01:11:09,810
cooperation with each other based around

1770
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:12,420
individual sovereignty once you connect

1771
01:11:17,150 --> 01:11:14,970
with your internal sovereignty as well

1772
01:11:18,710 --> 01:11:17,160
as how this exchange of energy

1773
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:18,720
information spirit happens with the

1774
01:11:22,940 --> 01:11:20,730
outside world you catch the point of

1775
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:22,950
understanding natural law that

1776
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:25,410
attractive force that that engagement

1777
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:27,600
with the with the with the forces and

1778
01:11:31,580 --> 01:11:29,520
then you have to actually give back as

1779
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:31,590
well so how you give back in that means

1780
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:34,890
giving to to the outside wall is

1781
01:11:38,420 --> 01:11:36,810
literally giving to self and giving to

1782
01:11:39,950 --> 01:11:38,430
self is literally giving to the outside

1783
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:39,960
world now that doesn't mean that we

1784
01:11:43,730 --> 01:11:41,970
can't pull up boundaries and and make

1785
01:11:45,950 --> 01:11:43,740
sure that we're not being harmed it's

1786
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:45,960
not all this rainbows and unicorns sort

1787
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:47,850
of situation going on but we certainly

1788
01:11:53,870 --> 01:11:50,730
need to have some sort of respect for

1789
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:53,880
that natural engagement that we have

1790
01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:56,250
with our external world as well as have

1791
01:12:01,760 --> 01:11:58,800
respect for the cooperation we would not

1792
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:01,770
be here in where we are today in this

1793
01:12:06,830 --> 01:12:04,290
day and age without cooperation on some

1794
01:12:09,670 --> 01:12:06,840
sort of level and as is a primitive sort

1795
01:12:13,250 --> 01:12:09,680
of tribe or as a you know a modern day

1796
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:13,260
civilization so that's a natural part of

1797
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:15,120
our development and we need to respect

1798
01:12:18,860 --> 01:12:17,250
that how we do that I don't know

1799
01:12:21,260 --> 01:12:18,870
I mean you post some pretty good

1800
01:12:22,910 --> 01:12:21,270
questions there well I think I like what

1801
01:12:24,980 --> 01:12:22,920
you said there I mean I think you hit on

1802
01:12:28,300 --> 01:12:24,990
something that I kind of noted that I

1803
01:12:31,850 --> 01:12:28,310
agree with it's about starting point is

1804
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:31,860
individual sovereignty and we can wrap

1805
01:12:35,930 --> 01:12:33,840
this up just by tying it back to the

1806
01:12:39,470 --> 01:12:35,940
first topics we talked about I mean

1807
01:12:42,350 --> 01:12:39,480
whether it's truth seeking or whether

1808
01:12:44,330 --> 01:12:42,360
it's spiritual seeking I would totally

1809
01:12:49,010 --> 01:12:44,340
agree with you Phil it's about coming

1810
01:12:52,070 --> 01:12:49,020
from a place of internal individual

1811
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:52,080
sovereignty is the truth seeker is the

1812
01:12:57,290 --> 01:12:54,690
spiritual seeker so that's also man I

1813
01:13:00,610 --> 01:12:57,300
mean this is what I wanted to do with

1814
01:13:02,140 --> 01:13:00,620
this interview two guys two podcasters

1815
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:02,150
just chat

1816
01:13:07,810 --> 01:13:04,130
that up talking about what's going on

1817
01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:07,820
and great we'll see how round two goes

1818
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:11,110
on your show you know I don't think I do

1819
01:13:15,430 --> 01:13:13,760
skeptical that much it's just I say that

1820
01:13:18,970 --> 01:13:15,440
because that's what other people do this

1821
01:13:21,729 --> 01:13:18,980
is just me man so I'm happy to feel any

1822
01:13:23,950 --> 01:13:21,739
questions you have when I come on your

1823
01:13:26,260 --> 01:13:23,960
show I look forward to it manly fun but

1824
01:13:28,270 --> 01:13:26,270
thanks for this time our guests again

1825
01:13:30,580 --> 01:13:28,280
has been Philip to you what one of the

1826
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:30,590
books that a book that he's written that

1827
01:13:34,510 --> 01:13:32,000
you might want to check out is the

1828
01:13:36,910 --> 01:13:34,520
simulation but you'll also want to check

1829
01:13:39,010 --> 01:13:36,920
out his new podcast and I have a link to

1830
01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:39,020
that you can yeah you can check out my

1831
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:41,600
website in the tipping point calm eyed

1832
01:13:48,220 --> 01:13:45,610
YouTube and Facebook is Philip J Watts

1833
01:13:49,870 --> 01:13:48,230
podcast is now going to be called mad

1834
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:49,880
magic really look forward to getting

1835
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:51,650
that off the ground the simulation book

1836
01:13:57,399 --> 01:13:54,890
you can get the website and really and

1837
01:13:59,320 --> 01:13:57,409
really look forward to continuing on

1838
01:14:01,450 --> 01:13:59,330
this crazy journey in the independent

1839
01:14:03,250 --> 01:14:01,460
media cuz what a ride it's pain so

1840
01:14:05,110 --> 01:14:03,260
thanks for watching this video if it

1841
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:05,120
wasn't really a video but just an audio

1842
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:07,730
stored as a video I apologize but

1843
01:14:11,229 --> 01:14:09,290
there's more videos out there as well

1844
01:14:13,060 --> 01:14:11,239
but please check out the skeptical

1845
01:14:14,410 --> 01:14:13,070
website you can see it here we cover a

1846
01:14:17,229 --> 01:14:14,420
lot of different stuff you might be

1847
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:17,239
interested in relating to controversial

1848
01:14:23,979 --> 01:14:20,570
science and spirituality a lot of shows

1849
01:14:26,979 --> 01:14:23,989
up there over 350 of them or so all free

1850
01:14:28,440 --> 01:14:26,989
all available for download so do check